[Music] I'm just a girl, a wonderful girl, the sweetest one in town. Can search for miles around and no one like me can be found. I've got a smile, a wonderful smile, a certain little way. Every time the boys get near me, they look at me and say, "Redot mama, red hot mama, you're the one we need. Red hot gla. Yes indeed. Say that I should be in the follyies. Hot tamalies. Say that I got a pair of eyes just like old Spain bellies. I confess that I possess the sweetest charms in town. And unless I miss my guess the boys will follow me around. I can make a music master drop. Pick a ball. Hit a man his hair in the middle. Red hot mama. Red hot mama. I have to turn my temper down. [Music] Oh, I'm just a girl, a wonderful girl, the sweetest one in town. can search for miles around and no one like me can be found. I got a smile, beautiful smile, a certain little way. Every time the boys get near me, they look at me and say, "Rad mama, red hot mama, I'm the one you need." Red hot mama. Yes. You say that I should be in the fall. say that I got a pair of eyes just like old. I confess that I possess the sweetest charms in town. And unless I miss my guess, the boys will follow me around. I can make a Texas farmer. Forget his hate. Make the devil throw his fork away. Red hot mama. Red hot mama. But I'll have to turn my temper down. I'll have to turn my temper down. I'll have to turn my down. I'll have to turn my down. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Provided you can actually hear me. We can hear you. Okay. Straight off the presses right now. Chile Dcastro has indeed ended the mystery that we have oh pined about earlier as he has sued Dale Lackluster Hiller. Joshua, Accountability for All Abrams, Kate Peter aka Massole Mafia, and John Doe's one through five. Oh, guys, I hope we can be one of the five. I hope we can be one of the five. Yes. Defendants John Doe's one through five are individuals whose identities are presently unknown, but who participated in, contributed to, or promoted the decimation of the defamatory statements described herein. Okay. Uh now, as the paper basically uh told you this morning, he couldn't sue in California because California has a one-year statute of limitations for defamation. Uh he got the previous lawsuit under the rug or under the limit because it had been, believe it or not, it hadn't been a year yet. He filed it in 2023. these things happened in 2022. He can't file it in Vegas because Vegas has a 2-year limit on defamation. So, there are only like five states that he could file in, one of them being the state of Massachusetts. So he is suing Hiller who lives in California in Massachusetts to get around the uh claim or get around the law basically. Okay. He says he okay he justifies this. I'm just looking at this for the first time. Defendant Dale Hillard, known publicly as Lackluster, is an online video producer with over a million subscribers. He resides outside of Massachusetts, but regularly broadcast content to nationwide audience, including the Commonwealth. Okay. So, that's his justification. Well, that should that he he clearly has it nailed. Clearly. Yes. Has it nailed. Clearly. Clearly, uh, jurisdiction and venue are proper in this court pursuant to Massachusetts general laws, yada yada yada. Uh, Abrams and Peter are Massachusetts residents. Abrams hosted the defamatory live stream from Boston and Plainif was present in Boston with Abrams just days before the broadcast. Oh, the broadcast. Oh, yeah. The broadcast targeted Massachusetts audience. audiences and involve Massachusetts based content and individuals. Now, this is where it gets dicey. That's where it gets dicey. No, it gets dicey because on or about June 1st, 2022. Well, he didn't file it till June 3. That's past three days. That's three days past the deadline. Gotcha. And this is all because of the the boob heard around the world, right? Uh the incident between him and Kate where Josh turned on him. Then Josh did a live stream which he supposedly uh he said that Chile strangled someone uh accused him of getting kicked out of a friend's house. He accused Chile of making a fake app with screen designs. Uh, all stuff. Yeah. And accused Chile of blackmailing people. Okay. All of these things he's done. Truth being a defense allegedly. Truth being a defense against um defamation. How is he going to be successful in this lawsuit? I don't because because Chile knows the real truth and nothing but the truth. So help him, Chile. Okay, got it. Okay. He's he's targeted Hiller for saying there are victims. There is proof of it. That's all I can say for now. Hopefully more will be revealed. That's all Hiller said. Okay. But but there are victims. There is proof. But apparently uh hey NCR, the lawsuits dropped. So that's the only statement he has for Hillar in this as far as I can see. He says he contacted Hiller on three different occasions to request a public retraction. Hiller refused to retract or amend. And then he goes on and on about Kate Peter. Kate Peter falsely claimed during the live stream uh that PLV has multiple leans filed against him, which we don't know. We honestly don't know if that's true or not. So, uh, in that case, Chicago police sergeant Ignatis Goes alleged that Hiller falsely identified him on social media. Okay, that's sorry, wrong paragraph. The statement was made without any supporting documentation or investigation and was intended to portray plaintiff as financially irresponsible and legally compromised. H plaintiff has no such leans. This false statement further contribute to to the damage of plaintiff's credibility, trustworthiness and professional relationships and constitutes defamation. So this is a straightup uh defamation lawsuit. Looks like he has not included the rest of the content. It is a very very short it's seven pages but like five of the pages are all uh the declarations the the let's just call them interesting uh declarations that were made uh by people in 2022 under less than [Music] perfect, let's say, perfect situations and the everything about the the names and everything has been mysteriously redacted in these declarations. And one of them is apparently uh Mr. Let's see, Mr. uh what's uh what's his name? Dcastro, his cousin. The one who may or may not. Matt. Yes. Yes. It sounds like Matt Dcastro because it's Chile's cousin. Uh so Chile is wherefore plaintiff respectfully request that this court a award compensator compensatory damages in the amount of $1 million. Compensatory. Yes. Compensatory. I I can't talk this morning. I literally got woken up at 8:00. My mom says I'm barfing everywhere. got to put the kid on the bus cuz my my niece is at is at uh work. She started a new job. So, but number one, I'm surprised the kid has it all together cuz normally he can't do jack crap by himself. He's fully dressed. He's brushed his teeth. All he needs is something to eat and then he's ready for the bus. So, okay. I hope he had Jimmy John's. No, he had Pop-Tarts. He had Pop-Tarts. Yes, I know. I lose Jimmy John's tomorrow. Uh so divided as $400,000 for reputational harm and loss of professional opportunity, $300,000 for emotional distress, and $300,000 or $300,000 for emotional distress, $300,000 for general damages related to public stigma and future earnings loss. Uh award punitive damages for willful and malicious conduct. award costs and prosay legal fees at $400 an hour. He's prosay but wants $400 an hour for research, drafting, and filing. And it it it doesn't doesn't say if he's looking for a million dollars per person or what, but I mean $400 an hour can get a pretty [ __ ] good lawyer. Yes, but it's Chile Castro. So law schooler. Yes. Who knows more than all the lawyers combined. And this was obviously a chat GPT generated because the formatting is [ __ ] It's Well, of course it is. He's he's shown how he does it. So yes, it's chat GPT. Yeah, it's all chat GPT. So, he was trying to get it under the limit, but uh or under the the deadline. Looks like he was a couple of days late for it, though. The statements are kind of vague as to when this all actually happened. So, that's it, folks. Uh Chile has gone through and sued Abrams uh Hiller and uh Kate Peter Hiller for one sentence three years ago. That's that's so easy to prove it's true, right? Yeah. Well, that Hitler may still have the video up because he made it he made it on a live stream. Okay. But but but again, truth is is a is a defeating defense against slander, right? You can't slander somebody by saying the truth. Well, at least he kept Lou Bacon and team skeptic out of it this time. No, he's got John Do. He's got John Dos one through five. He, you know, clearly is is going to try and wrangle somebody in somewhere. And it really isn't going to be us. I wish I wish he would, but you know, it's not going to be Let's see. Yeah. Well, at least it's not the $49 million he wants from the judge for searching him and for not letting his buddies in the courtroom after the door had closed on the court. Oh, that the best part about that lawsuit The best part about that lawsuit, he admits that he is a public figure. Yes. So in your own court filings, you're admitting you're a public figure. Therefore, you're subject to mockery. Well, see, he can't. The the statute of limitations has passed now for all the blue bacon stuff. So uh so and for the stealing of the van and all that stuff that he alleged again all the statute of limitations are passing for those. So and we didn't start as a newspaper till November and all those uh filings we did are gone because Kate's uh server's dead. So, all the original stuff I did in the the newspaper before I started putting it on my website is gone. And all of our articles are gone due to the server killing itself last year and we had to restart. Uh I do I do have uh some breaking news of my own. Yes. Last night, a very generous, very generous and thoughtful supporter of the channel has donated the final 72 days you needed for five years. Yes. Oh, yeah. Yes. So, Jimmy John's is gone. Jimmy John's is gone. and and uh um Hank and I talked earlier and uh we agree and so going forward. Uh anything additional is going to contribute to the 145 days we need for three years of cook dog. Uh yeah, well we were going to do that anyway for we are still the the fundraiser is going on anyway. Uh if we get to I've already announced this. If we get to 5 and 1/2 years, the person who gets us over the hump gets to name out of a list of names just cuz I can't lose a couple of these just for convenience sake. I can't lose them because they are actually the only thing I can get to on my own in the area that's offset by uh what do you call it? That's offset by things that are on the list. So, and plus convenience, like if mom's out getting food, there are a couple of things that can't go on said list. It's just to be fair. And we're not doing a blanket food again because that was a stupid idea I agreed to last year. That's that's not fair at all. I mean, all ice cream ended up including popsicles, which aren't ice cream. It essentially included anything that was cold and you can stick it in your mouth. Yeah, we're not going through that again. Insert your own joke there, folks. Insert your own joke. [Laughter] there. Suggies in with 12 crap side buys at G's in at 10 side bars. Sister Rose in 11 moist side bars. I highly doubt we're going to get to 12 side bars since it's only half a day today. But well with that Griffy bring Griffy brings that up and he says five side bars it's half a day. Stephen Sers is in at 11. I'm gonna go with six. You go with six. I think that's a solid choice. I'm going to join you in that with six. I think that's a solid choice. Solid choice because this is a defense witness. So, yes. Um, two out of three of the witnesses they called yesterday [ __ ] the bed. how they do today. Uh, I don't know when the Orca witnesses are coming, but they're supposed to be Lucky is coming. We know that. Can you imagine dimwitted or allegedly dim-witted Lucky versus Bren Hank Brennan? Well, Lucky Yeah. I I just hope they bring up the fact that who believes a [ __ ] plow driver is paying attention to what's in a goddamn yard when he's plowing a [ __ ] road with low visibility. Right. Ed had already crashed into something that night because he couldn't see. Yeah. So, uh, did we get Steven Sers and the rest? Gothic Sparrow and all that. Okay, in case he didn't, uh, Gothic Sparrow with four, Matchy with seven, Subar with six, Steven Sers changes down to six. So, and yes, it is a half day. And yes, as long as I don't uh start barfing myself, I'm having my last Taco Bell today. And I don't feel good at all. I was having this weird ass dream. I moved to Alaska into a haunted house. And I couldn't tell who were real and who was ghosts because everybody was coming over to say hi. Right then. Yes. Well, my my wife has informed me that um I I apparently was cheating on her in a dream. Did she beat the [ __ ] out of you for doing it? Well, here here's here's how I was cheating. I I went curb crazy uh while she was asleep. And so I made pasta and I ordered uh Pizza Hut and I got two pizzas and bread sticks and cheese bread and uh panned pizza which I don't want. Yeah. Um, I like the pan pizza when they had the A1 steak pizza. Yeah, I've never had that one. It was steak instead of regular instead of regular sauce. It was an A1 uh base sauce. actually for Pizza Hut. A pretty decent pizza, but uh Becca was in at 13 side B, but then really remembered it was a half a day, so it changed it to seven. And I agree, we should put bets on how long before Allessie throws a temper tantrum. Now, Chicago deep dish pizza. Yes, I would do Griffy. Uh, actually in Chicago, uh, I've tried Chicago deep dish pizza outside of Chicago. Not so good. But every time we go to Chicago, I have to get a Chicago. It's just It just seems like sacrilege to have pizza you can't pick up a slice and eat with your hands. Uh, Sugi, I don't know who's up today. Um, some of the ARCA witnesses are supposed to come in at some point. Yeah. And Lucky was Lucky is going to be handled by uh what's his face? Uh, Jackson. No. Uh, bald guy. Bald guy. Oh, yeah. The other game. Okay. We're putting in bets for um uh how soon before Allessie has a freak out. So, um Oh. Oh, that [Music] uh Dodge, I need to talk to you immediately. Uh Pants says 2 minutes 23 seconds. Gothic Sparrow says uh 40 minutes. Cicero gives Allesie less than five minutes. I'm thinking more than 40 minutes is [Music] probably closer to the It all depends. Well, he's not going to throw a fit until cross and Seth, I see you inside chat. Uh, did you hear about the the other thing? Uh uh first the the the minutes till till Allessie has a freak out. But the other thing is we're still going at uh at uh 5 and a half years. The person who puts us over the top for that gets to name a restaurant essentially not uh McDonald's and not cheats because those are the two most convenient things of the house. Uh otherwise it's fair game. Uh and same thing for every if we make it to six years that person gets to do it. And if Griffy uh Griffy still has the second half of the uh the deal we made the other day for the the or the Australian benefactor still has part of that to go. So that will also count to the count. And for those curious, we only need 145 days to get the Coke gone for three years. Yes. Three years, which would be roughly half of which would be roughly half a year. So that would push us over the top. And the Coke Dog thing since it had a late start will go until the end of next week. Suit Bear's in at five minutes. Steven Ser says 30. I'm going to guess that's 30 minutes. G's got 60 minutes. Uh but thank you Seth and thank you to everyone who has contributed. Uh gosh. Uh so minutes till uh the defense has a freakout and uh since Allessie had his big starving temper tantra pounding on the desk uh I'm going to guess it's going to be Allessie who freaks out. But it doesn't matter. Could be Jackson. Could be Jackson. He he does his you know. I can't believe the prostate coach had attempted to have moments. I'll be right back. I'm about to get some Pepmoismo cuz apparently they've infected me. Yeah. My for if I didn't say it on the air, I was woken up at 8:00 with my mom wrapped in blankets saying, "You've got to put your nephew on the bus this morning cuz I've been barfing since 3:00 a.m." And I was like, "Uh, apparently Allessie is having a freak out right now, which is why it's going late, according to Griffy." Oh, well, let's see who who is saying he's having a freak out. Let's see what's going on. Right, Becca? How many times will the defense get mad at its own witness? you know, and we do have the fantastically wonderful background on everything from the the 9-minute article this morning about the mystery of Chile Dcast's filing. And of course, by 8:00, the mystery was solved. So, Pants did a good read, a very above uh fantastic reading this morning. If you still want to check that out, it gives you the background on some of this stuff and why Chile is suing where he is suing. What was I doing? Oh, yeah. I was going to go get Pepmo, but first I have to check Check check check the Twitters. Yeah, I have to check the Twitters in a second. Well, in memoriam of of Jim not having Jimmy John's for for five years. I think Yeah, I mean Yeah, I think I'm going to order a Jimmy Jod's uh roast beef and horseradish cheddar sandwich. Sounds like they're getting started. Maybe they suck my wife into a cheat day. All right, so the jurors are here ready to go. But I know Oh, you can always have the sandwich here with sidebar on there. So why don't we come to Sidear? Sidebar. We're having a little Korean barbecued side boss. Okay. With a side of kimchi. Okay, hold on. Anytime I close my browser or just restart the computer and have to reopen the browser, it moves the StreamYard window in my Google uh collection or my Every time I close my eyes, I think of you. That's disturbing. That's disturbing. So, it it's weird. And now my monitor has blinked out. Who's behind the computer? Okay. Sidebar number one. Helen is unhappy. Oh, that's what they're having the sidebar for. That Helen's unhappy. Yep. More than likely. Yep. But I'm going to run and get the pepmo before I start barfing on the air. Huh. Which, no, I'm not going to turn the camera on for Phil. Damn it. You can't judge the quality of whatever's whatever's coming out of Jim. We we want a chunk by chunk uh uh description of what's going on. Yeah, that's not going to happen. Shiggy Oak. Hey, but it does figure that the last day. Yeah, I can't even go get Jimmy John's cuz my niece has my car today. Uh, I could could theoretically drive down. Door Dash will deliver. Jimmy John's. Uh the the Jimmy John's is an hour and a half by car away, so they're not going to deliver. Oh, yeah. They will. Not here. No. Uh believe um uh there's a barbecue place in South Austin a buddy of mine got eats to deliver. It was expensive as hell. Yeah. I don't have that much money for a Jimmy John's sandwich. Uh, it's not going to happen. So, uh, yeah, Jimmy John's will go. I think the last time I had Jimmy John's was January. So, I can describe my sandwich to you when it gets here. That's fine. Get a number five. It's a veto with extra extra meat. I I we're still having the Taco Bell tonight, so that'll happen. Have you tried that roast the new uh roast beef and cheddar with the the horseradish sauce? No, I have not. I should I like that. I like that. Yep. It's got uh the onion fry thing. the fried onion things. Parsons and the $200 Jimmy John's grift. [Laughter] Okay, finally be right back. Uh Jimmy John's pants says $14 delivery. Delivery $88. Food poisoning from sandwich sitting in a hot car for an hour. Priceless. Priceless. Yep. Oh, it's fine, Griffy. I'm not about to barf right now. I got a uh we have Yeah, I don't see turtle boy in the back row. Just some lady, but his buddy Jessica Machado, I think, is the lady on the end in the white with the red computer. That's the one who is keeping Grant out of the courtroom as she has protective against Grant. So, uh, how imminent is, uh, your greetings with Ralph, the Buick salesman that's test driving a porcelain bus? Not very. So, okay. Not very. And Blue Bacon has confirmed that Chile threatened to add him to this lawsuit if he did not make a deal for dismissal in the California Superior Court. I can finally say that tidbit. Yes. Uh Chile had threatened if you don't agree to this, I'm putting you on the new lawsuit. So, expect uh and Blue Bacon just announced that over in our Discord for anyone who wants to go see that. Yeah. Uh yeah. So he so he pulled the meer basically if you don't dismiss agree to dismiss this without prejudice and you take all take away all the sanctions and you pay all the costs that promise never to come after me again. I will not sue you in Massachusetts. Even though I agree not to sue you for anything involving this case, I'm still going to sue you in Massachusetts. Yep. I'm sure the judge is going to be happy to hear that. So well and the interesting thing about this because you know Chile's a [ __ ] is uh in his filing he claimed that John does are unknown to him yet blue bacon being added couldn't be unknown to him because he's already attempting to sue him. So, right. And and sadly, the only things he can get against us, unless he has all those screenshots from Kate's before it went down, uh where I was commenting as a commentator com just to comment in the side chat long before the paper. Uh yeah, again, because the server destruction last year and we had to restart over, there's not much there for Chile to work with. We report facts. We don't. We report what he says on the air. Now, they may or may not be facts. They're what he says on the air. We include links to his videos where he says those things. Yes. But we don't make up stuff. We don't attack him other than for what he has said on the air and provide proof of that. We do not air his videos on this channel, so he can't go after us for that. Uh, that's that's a big thing. And basically, we are the only channel that day in and day out covers Chile Dcastro as our lead story. Uh, I know NCR covers them from time to time, but Chile is our is what our fans come to the paper for. They like to see the stories about Chile, especially when he said something. We'll take the take a few minutes, Tony. Do you want me to step out? Okay. Do you need to come in? All right. So, something is going on outside of the presence of the judge as the jury is coming in. So again, he is filing in Massachusetts because even though Heler or Hiller, who is his supposed primary target, lives in California, the California statute for limitations on defamation is one year. The Nevada statute of limitations is two years. So, he can't run to Nevada. He had to do it in Massachusetts because Massachusetts is one of like six states, I believe. It's all on the paper. We list it all out and explain the whole thing. Uh, why doesn't he try Ohio? I wonder. Yeah, because it I think it it has a one year as well. and he's scared to death. So, and he said he had to pay $10,000 or so. This is paraphrasing. It may it's not a legal statement. Chile Gastro, he said he had to pay a good amount for the last year for the lawyer to try to get the Ohio warrant quashed. We are I have not checked on that warrant for a while, so I don't know for sure if it's been quashed. Hey, Chile. I've got a suggestion how to get that warrant quashed. Go turn your [ __ ] self in, you idiot. Yeah. Hey, Facebook Karen. Hi, Facebook Karen. Hey, Facebook Karen. Welcome back. Blue Bacon is on our Discord over in the Chile Dcastro fan club too saying that there's a problem with this filing as to adding him to the filing. Uh he specifically states that he does not know the identities of the John Doe's as of yet. He knows Blue Bacon's identity. If what Bacon is saying is true that he was threatened with being add added to the lawsuit, then he can't be and this was previous to the filing of the lawsuit, then Bacon is not an unknown entity and he he can't be added as John Doe. He's going to have to be added in the amended complaint, which will eventually happen because Chile always does the amended complaint. tomatoes. I'm hoping Jim is a dough. That would explain a lot. Okay, keep it going for a second. Now I'm getting up to get the pet home. Barfing time. Barfing time. Barf barf. Barfing time. Barfing time. Whoa. [Laughter] Yeah, but we need it on camera. We need it on camera, you know. We need then we can post it onto um um Instagrams and the Snapchats and all the things the kids watch and then we can go viral. It would be funny. Jim, if you're going to spew, spew in this, here ye, here ye, here ye, all persons having anything to do before the honorable Beverly Canon, the justice of the superior court, hold an indentum within and far the county of Norark. Draw in. Give your attendance and you shall be heard. God save the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. This court is a session. Please be seated. Good morning again, council. Good morning. Good morning, jurors. Morning. Thank you. So, I do have to ask you those three questions. Were you all able to follow my instructions and refrain from discussing this case with anyone since we left yesterday? Everyone said yes and ordered affirmatively. Were you also able to follow the instructions and uh refrain from doing any independent research or investigation into this case? Everyone said yes and got it affirmatively. Did anyone happen to see here or read anything about this case since we left here? Yes. Thank you very much. So, is there a new witness this morning? Yes. Good morning, your honor. Morning. The defense calls Brian Laughlin. Okay. Super Bear just took on all three, so she'll be kind of loopy. We can, you know, really have fun with her. Hence, are you still awake? Put it inside, chat, if you are. He just commented not that long ago. I think he's awake. I do. Is he sleep commenting? Yeah, he can fall asleep at a moment's notice. And he says no, he's not awake. State your name and spell your last name. Sure. It's Brian Lan. L O U G H R A N. In what town do you live, sir? I live in Canton. Where did you grow up? In Canton. How long have you lived in Canton? All my life. Did you attend Canton public schools? Yes, I did. Through which grade? I graduated from Canton High School. What year did you graduate? 1990. Do you have brothers and sisters? Yes. How many? I have three two brothers, one sister. What are their names? Christopher, Michelle, and Michael. And where do you fit in in the order? I fit in between Michelle and Michael. You're the second youngest, correct? How old is your brother, Michael? Michael is 53. What does he do for work? He owns his own driving school and he was a member of the select board. And you say he owns his own driving school. In which town? Canton. And you mentioned that he's a member of the select board for which town? Town of Canton. And what is the select board in Canton? It's the governing body for the town. Having grown up in Canton, are you familiar with the Albert brothers? Yes, I am. Which ones? All of them. Can you name them? Brian, Chris, Brendan, Keith, Kevin, and Tim. Of those Albert brothers, whom do you know the best? Chris. How close in age are Chris and you? Uh, very close. I believe I'm two years older than Chris. How did you become familiar with Chris? It's not very close. I went to elementary school. I went to middle school and then he graduated from a different high school. Was there any other relationship between the two of you beyond being classmates? Yes. Eventually, I ended up working for Chris delivering pizzas. How old were you approximately when you started delivering pizzas for Chris Albert? About 26. Do you remember the name of his pizza establishment? Yes. Dean Pizza. Where is that located? Canton Center. How many years did you deliver pizzas for Dean Pizza and Chris Albert? About eight years. Prior to January 29th of 2022, were you friendly with Chris Albert? Yes. You previously mentioned that your brother Michael is a town selectman. What political office does Chris Albert hold? Chris Albert is also a select board member. And Chris Albert is Brian Albert's brother, obviously. Yes. So your brother and Brian Albert's brother are both town selectmen together. Correct. How did you become familiar with Kevin Albert? Uh through DNA pizza and interact I'm sorry you said through DNA pizza. Yes. And uh interactions with the the um DPW doing details and stuff. Okay. Uh first with regard to D& Pizza, you said there were interactions with Kevin Albert relating to that pizza shop. What what type of interactions? Uh he would come in, I'd be, you know, friendly. I'd say hello. Or there'd be deliveries to the Albert residents and I would, you know, make those deliveries. All right. You mentioned the DPW. Um I didn't ask you what you did for work, sir. What do you do? I I work for the DPW. I work in the um highway division. And the DPW starts stands for Department of Public Works. Yes. For which town? Town of Canton. And what are your duties or strike that around January and late January of 2022? What were your duties for the DPW? I would plow. And how long had you worked or to this day? How long have you worked for the DPW? 20 years. Now, as a DPW employee, how much contact do you have with the police department? We we have um varying jobs that require police details. So you're doing work and there has to be a police officer there to oversee and direct traffic and things of that nature. Correct. How often have you worked in that capacity with Kevin Albert from the Canton Police Department? Uh about dozen times. And what was the nature of your relationship with Kevin Albert before January 29th of 2022? Uh through DNA pizza, I would um the Alberts usually had uh family functions on this on a weekend and I would make deliveries. Can these last few jurors hear the witness? I just want to make sure everybody can hear. Okay. Now, what was the uh how did you become familiar with Brian Albert? again through DNE pizzas and deliveries. Deliveries where? To his residence. Do you know his what his residence is or what the address is? I do. What is it? 34 Fair View Drive. Um, what was your understanding of what Brian Albert did for a living? Uh, my understanding he was a police officer for the uh city of Boston. Now, you say that you made deliveries to 34 Fair View Road. How how often and was there a particular day of the week that you delivered more than others? Uh it's usually once a week and it was usually on Sundays and that was 234 Fair View Road. Correct. As of January of 2022, how many decades had the Albert family lived at that address if you know? uh far as long I I couldn't give you a year, but I know as long as I've been in Canton, they've lived at that residence. All right. Now, directing your attention to January 28th and 29th of 2022, uh were you on duty as a snowplow driver that night and early morning? Yes. When did you learn that you would be on duty? on early uh January 28th, we were notified that we had a 2:30 start time and that would be 2:30 a.m. a.m. on January 29th. Yes. How did you learn that you would be on duty? Our supervisors for the DPW would notify us. Who was your supervisor? William Walsh. And what instructions were you given in terms of when you were to report? We were to report at 2:30 in the morning and prepare our trucks for, uh, plowing. What time did you actually get to the DPW that morning? I got there about 2:15. And when you say you got there, uh, where did you go? 160 Boliviver Street. And is that B O L I V A R? Yes. What is 160 Bolver Street? It is the DPW garage. And when you go there, is there a requirement that you punch in? Yes. Did you punch in in those early morning hours? Yes. Who was there when you got there? Uh other DPW uh employees and William Walsh. William Walsh being your supervisor? Yes. Were you assigned a specific route that those early morning hours? Yes. What route was that? Route 11. What streets does Route 11 encompass? Route 11 encompasses Cedar Crest from Denim Street to the end. It encompasses everything from Kings Road to uh Chapman Street and uh streets in between as well. Yes. And what street is in between Cedarrest and Chapman? Uh there will be uh Spring Lane and Fair View. What truck or snowplow were you assigned in those early morning hours? I was assigned truck 30. And does that have a particular nickname? Yes. It's considered a Franken truck. You said Franken Truck. Yes. Like Franken Frankenstein. Yes. Why was it nicknamed Franken Truck? Uh it was a very uncomfortable truck and it had a lot of mismatch of uh parts to make it more convenient for the drivers. I'd like to show you some photos, sir. Okay. Mr. Lan, I've placed four photographs in front of you. If you could just familiarize yourself with them and look up at me when you're done. Do you recognize what is depicted in those photos? Yes, I do. And did you take those photos? I did. At my request? Yes. What do those photos depict? They depict the inside of uh truck 30 or Franken truck. And is there one that actually depicts the outside from the front as well? Yes. Do those do those photos fairly and accurately depict Franken Truck as it looked on or about January 29th of 2022? Yes. I would offer those, your honor. I have no objection to any of the phones. All right. Thank you. Perhaps they could be marked with the next exhibit number A through D. Yes. And once that's done, you can feel free to publish. Thank you very much. exhibits 211 A through 21D. Thank you. Uh and with the court's permission, Mr. Wolf, if you would uh publish them one at a time in the order we discussed. I imagine that is 211A. Madam court reporter, Miss D and Eddie, why don't you take the photo so you'll know what they are? Great idea. Okay. Could you explain what 211A depicts for this jury? That is the front of uh truck 30 Franken truck and it's depicting the two mirrors on the right and left side of the fenders. Okay. What about uh the next one please Mr. um can you identify this is 211B sir? Yes. That's the inside of the Franken truck looking out the windshield as if you were seated in the driver's seat. Correct. Next photo please. This is 211C. What does this depict? This is depicting on the the range that I would see seated in the front seat looking out the windshield and depicting how much I'll be able to see. Okay. And this would be more toward the left side in front of you as you're seated in the driver's seat. Correct. All right. Next photo, please. This is 211D. Could you uh explain this to the jury? Again, I'm sitting in the front seat of Franken truck and I'm taking a picture out the right side of the windshield. Again, depicting on how much I can see out it. Thank you. Okay, we can take those down and put the lights on. Okay. So, you previously testified that you got to the garage about 2:15 a.m. on January 29th. Could you explain to the jury uh what do you do when you get there at 2:15 a.m.? So, at 2:15, we do a uh simple circle check to make sure that there are no defects with the truck. We go ahead and we make sure it has uh plenty of diesel. And then I put, you know, any supplies that I may have for the night, planning on an overnight shift. And then I get in the truck and I proceed to my route. And what what type of supplies are you talking about, sir? Uh any types of drinks, food, anything, snacks, corn chips, preparing for a long night? Yes. Uh the circle check, does that mean what it sounds like? You sort of take a circle around the vehicle? Yes. We're just we're trying to make sure that the truck is safe, that there is no defects that would hinder the the job ahead of it of being able to plow. And when you did the circle check in those early morning hours, was there anything unusual that you found? None. Were you comfortable driving the the snow plow that night? Yes. And you mentioned that you make sure it's filled with diesel f fuel so you're good for the night. Correct. Uh now, what lighting is there on the truck facing outward? I have four lights. I have uh the initial headlights and then I have two plow lights that are on either side of the fenders and and then I have marking lights and then I have work lights in the back for the sander. Okay. Uh if you recall the one photo that showed the truck from the outside, were the plow the two plow lights visible in that photo? Yes, they were. Were the headlights visible in that photo? Yes, they were. Could we display that one more time, your honor, to have him point that out? Um, is there a pointer there, sir? Uh, no, there is not. Okay. Uh, could you describe on 211A where those plow lights are? Plow lights are just above the grill on the right side and left side. Okay. And would it be fair to say the plow lights appear to be a a clear lens and then an orange lens on either side? Yes. And the headlights, sir, where are those located? They are uh to the right and left of the um grill and they're underneath. Okay. And those are are are located just to the right of the grill in terms of as we're looking at 211A. Yes. Okay. We can take that down and put the lights back on. Jim doesn't want you to know this, but he sells Helen's lift balls. Do you recall whether or not strike that? You also mentioned marking lights. Where are those? Marking lights are on the top of my truck along with a beacon light on top of the truck. And what is a beacon light? Beacon light is exactly what it looks like. It's a light that just illuminates and it goes around in circles. And the marking lights, what do they do? They they're similar to um driving with your without your headlights. They're just there to mark the truck so that it's more visible for residents who may be driving and not paying attention. And where where does the lighting face those marking lights front? Okay. So, in terms of the light that strictly goes toward the front, you have marking lights, plow lights, and headlights. Correct. Correct. Uh, do you recall whether when you did your circle check, you checked out whether those lights were all working? Correct. And were they working? Yes. When all of those lights are on, how bright is it in front of your truck? Extremely bright. Almost if I had a spotlight and that's facing straight out, correct? What about facing diagonally out front? As it again, as far as the Yeah. lights will illuminate. Uh, and then on either side, directly out to the side, how far can you see? About five, six feet. Okay. So, you see more when you're looking straight out and then diagonally out. Correct. Correct. You can see farther. Correct. Now, how about in terms of you uh being situated in the vehicle? How high up is the driver's seat? Driver seat is an air ride seat. So, it can adjust accordingly. What is an airride seat? It is adjusted by air and it can go up or down depending on the uh driver's. And how long did it take you to do the circle check to put your snacks in the car and water uh and to make sure the car or the truck is uh filled with diesel fuel? About 5 minutes. All right. So, if you get there at 2:15, uh, is it fair to say that you're, uh, ready to go on the road somewhere around 2:20 or 2:25 a.m.? Correct. And when you did, uh, start to go out on the road at around that time, how was the seat adjusted? I adjusted the seat up so that my knees would hit the bottom of the steering wheel. Um, how big is that steering wheel on the on the truck? Uh, it it's fairly large. It's larger than a regular uh passenger vehicle. It's it's very large. As of January 29th of 2022, were there any obstructions on any part of the windshield that would prevent you from having a clear view in any direction through the windshield? No. Once you got into that truck in those early morning hours, how far could you see in front of your truck? As far as my eyes would let me see. And how far could you see diagonally? Diagonally probably is again as far as my eyes would let me see. All right. Now you get on the road when you plow. Is there a particular method that you use? Yes. Describe that. Uh I start in the middle of the road and work to the right, angling the plow to the right. Uh are you familiar with the term ring row right? Yes. Could you explain that for to the jury, please? Sure. Ring row to the right is the amount of snow that's coming off the plow creating a row. We angle everything to the right so that it does not uh impede on traffic on the left. Right. So, if you had gone in the other direction, you'd be putting snow right in the opposite lane of travel. Right. Correct. So, you always go to the right. Correct. What part of the road when you're once you hit the roads do you uh plow first? What part of the road? I start at the yellow line and I work to the curb line. Why do you plow the middle of the road first? Uh again, I want to ring road to the right and I want to be able to give a bigger swath of space for uh first responders. And generally after going up a street or a road that you plow, when do you come back down the same street? immediately after Ian dunk. Now, you mentioned route 11, uh, your route that night. Uh, you mentioned that it takes you to Cedar Crest, correct? Uh, once you leave the DPW garage to go on your route, Route 11, how long does it take you to get to any part of Cedar Crest? About 10 minutes. May we uh display a actually exhibit 49. Do we have uh access to exhibit 49? What is it? Is it uh it's a just a map? Okay. And and if we can't put our hands on it quickly, I can just display it on the screen. Is it in evidence? It is. You can put you can put Okay. Thank you, Ron. Um, if you put up exhibit 49 and maybe uh zoom in so we just see Well, I think it is as zoomed in as it's going to go. Is that Mr. Is that true, Mr. W? to get the Okay. Maybe uh zoom in on the top part of the map if you would. Perfect. All right. Uh sir, are you able to see that map from where you are? Yes, I can. And and by the way, do you wear corrective lenses? Yes, I do. What do you wear? I wear glasses and when it's inclement weather, I wear contacts. Uh, so on the night in question, when you went out on your route that night, were you wearing glasses or contacts? Contacts. What are you wearing today? Contacts. Um, you've testified in a prior proceeding regarding this matter last year, correct? Yes. What did you show up with that day? Glasses. And what's your difference? What is the difference in your ability to see the the the um you know the screen with your glasses or your contacts? Uh my contacts makes things a little bit more brighter, allowing my eyes to see better. You more difficulty seeing distances with your glasses. Correct. All right. Any problem seeing that uh screen here today? None. All right. What does that depict? that pix uh depicts my my route cedar crest due lane spring lane and I'm not able to read the uh one underneath spring lane just certainly it's a portion of your route correct yes all right now you see where it says Cedar Crest right know what those roads are red dot there yes does that red dot one would think if you repeatedly drive those roads what road that red dot is on Yes. And what road is that? That would be Fair View. All right. Now, when you hit Cedar Crest Road, are you in that area of Cedar Crest or are you uh in a different area of Cedar Crest? When you first come upon Cedar Crest Road? When I first come on, I'm coming in at the beginning of Cedar Crest, which is at Denim Street and Cedar Crest. Okay. And how long a road is Cedar Crest before you get to the area of exhibit 49? I would say that's about mile and a half. And how long does it take you to plow Cedar Crest before you get to this area on January 29th of 2022? About 10 minutes. All right. Um, how much of that mile and a half or so stretch of road did you plow when you first encountered it? I plowed the entire street. Um, if we could zoom out, please. All right. And when you're driving on Cedar Crest Road, are you driving toward that uh red uh the you know, Fairview Road that you've identified? Yep. Um coming in from the right portion of the map or the left portion of the map? I am coming from the right side of the map. All right. And so you start about a mile and a half down the road to the right which is off this map. Correct. Correct. And you say it takes you about 10 minutes to get to the area of Fair View. Yes. So would Fairview be on your right or your left when you first encounter it? On my left. And when you hit Fair View Road that first time, what do you do? Uh, I go all the way to the very end of Cedar Crest, turn around in the culde-sac, and then head back up towards Fair View. Okay. So, you're passing Fair View on your left. Yes. Plowing further and then turning around and plowing back. Yes. And when you came back to the intersection of Cedar Crest and Fairview, what did you do? I take a right. And how familiar were you with 34 Fair View Road on that day? Fairly very very familiar. Having delivered pizzas there for years, and having grown up in that neighborhood, were you friendly with the Alberts growing up? You know, mostly with Chris, but you know, I would I was cordial with the boys. All right. And when you entered Fair View Road from Cedar Crest for the first time on your route, would 34 Fair View be on your right or your left? On my right. And can you give the jury your best estimate of when or what time was it when you first encountered 34 Fair View Road on January 29th of 2022? About 2:40, 2:45. That would be A.M. a.m. a.m. And when you were passing 34 Fair View Road or encountering it at that point, um what did you know about who lived there? I knew the Alberts lived there and I knew that um Brian Albert was a um police officer first responders. Now, aside from the lighting on your truck, were you aware of whether there were any street lights in the area of 34 Fairview? Yes. Could you describe those? Sure. There's one before you get to 34 Fair View uh driveway and there's one after Fair Views Driveway. Um do you have a memory as to whether or not those street lights were working on January 29th of 2022? I do not have a memory of that. All right. But in any case, how much of the lighting of your Franken truck was illuminated at that time? All my lights were working. So, you're now driving up Fair View Road and 34 Fair Views on your right. Uh, taking into account the lighting conditions that existed, especially on your truck, how much of the front lawn of 34 Fairview could you see? I could see all the way to the front door. What obstructions were there at the time when you first passed the Albert's residence? None. Were you familiar with the area of the flag pole on the left side of the property? Yes. Now, when you are plowing, sir, where is your attention focused? My attention's focused out the front window to the right and to the left. Why? Uh, I am looking for pedestrians. I'm looking for residents that may be backing out, not aware that I'm there, and god forbid, animals. How much of the time that you're plowing are you scanning the road? All the time. Now, as you're passing 34 Fair View, could you see the area of the flag pole at 2:45 in the morning, sir? Yes. What was on the ground on the Albert's lawn at that point in the area of the flagpole? Nothing. Did you see a 6'1 216-lb man lying on that lawn? No. Now, after plowing Fair View with the Albert's residence to your right, what do you do? I go to the very end, take a left on the Chapman Street, back down Chapman Street, and then take a left back onto Fair View. And are you plowing the whole time? Yes. So, you get to uh in this diagram, uh exhibit 49, we don't have to turn the lights off. I think we can see it. Um you're you're traveling in a down direction, correct? Correct. And uh you would hit Chapman Street. Is that fair to say that's at the bottom? Correct. You do a some type of three-point turn and go back down Fair View. Yes. How long does it take you to get from 34 Fair View the first time to get to the to Chapman Street? Maybe 5 10 minutes. And then how long does it take you to get from Chapman Street back down so that you're now passing 34 Fair View again? Again, about 5 10 minutes. And when you're coming back down, what side of the road is 34 Fair View? On my left. When you pass 34 Fair View at that time, are there any obstructions preventing you from seeing the front lawn? None. What was was there any difference in the lighting on your truck when you were coming back down? No. Where is your attention focused when you're passing 34 Fair View on your left? Again, out the front, right, and left. And how much of that front lawn are you able to see on 34 Fair View when you're coming back down from Chapman? I can see everything. I can see right up to the front door. What did you see on the front lawn of 34 Fair View on January 29th of 2022 when you're making the second pass by uh uh 34 Fair View in the area of the flag pole? I saw nothing. All right. Now, you've made an up and down pass, sir. Correct. Yes. Once you pass 34 Fair View for that first up and down pass, where do you go? I then go uh to Spring Lane. And I do that top and bottom. And is there a point in time when you come back to the area of Fair View Road? Yes. That second time now that you're coming back, I'm I'm counting the the up and down pass as the first time. Okay. You with me? Yep. That second time now that you're coming back, about how long is it after the first time? About 45 minutes. So now it's about what time that you're coming for the second time to this area? 3:30. And when you come back to the area of Fair View Road, are the second time, are you uh on the Cedar Crest side, which is on the top of exhibit 49, or the Chapman side, which is on the bottom of exhibit 49? I'm on the Cedar Crest side. And when you approach it from the cedar press side, are you approaching from the the same direction that you did for the first uh time up and down pass or a different direction? Same direction. All right. So, you're now coming down Cedar Crest again. Correct. Correct. Fair view's on your left. Yes. Um, did you take that left or did you do something else? I did not take the left. Uh, at that point I could have taken the left. I can make a decision depending on how much snow there was on the ground. Uh I ended up going all the way to the end as if the first time. All right. And you did your same turnaround in the culde-sac. Correct. And now you're approaching the intersection of Cedar Crust and Fair View again. Correct. Yes. What do you do? I take the right onto Fair View. How was the weather at 3:30 in the morning when you're now in that area of Fair View and Cedar Crust? It's snowing fairly hard now. Um, do you recall how much snow was on the ground at that point? Maybe 2 3 in. And at about 3:30 in the morning, uh, how far could you see in front of you? Again, straight and diagonally in front of you. as far as my eyes would let me see as a result of the lighting on your truck. Correct. Now you take the right on to Fair View. Describe for the jury what you see in the road at that point. As I make my right onto Fair View, I notice that there's a vehicle on the right hand side uh in the roughly in the area of the uh flagpole in front of 34 Fair View. Okay. And did you make note of what type of vehicle that was? Yes. What type of vehicle was that? A Ford Edge. What direction was that vehicle parked when you saw it? It was parked nose going up Fair View toward Chapman. Yes. So, you're coming up from behind it. Correct. You see the the rear of that vehicle? Yes. Um, and was it parked uh adjacent to the Albert property or was it across the street from the Albert property? Adjacent to the Albert family. And how how close to the area of the flag was that Fort Edge Park at 3:30 in the morning? I want I can't give you an exact measurement, but I you know looking at the front door, it was about 3 feet to the left of the front door in the area of the flag pole. So in between the front door and the flag pole. Now, what caused you to remember that there was a Ford Edge parked at 3:30 outside the Albert's residence that night? For as long as I can remember, they have never parked a vehicle in front of their house. They've always had enough ample parking in the driveway. What policies or protocols of the DPW are in force when vehicles are parked on the street or the road during a snow emergency? There is no parking allowed. Uh we are supposed to notify our supervisor when there is a vehicle in the way. At that point, the supervisor will make attempt to call the resident or have the police uh show up at the resident and then if they can't get the car removed, the car gets towed. Sir, did you follow protocol that night? I did not. Why not? Knowing the Albert family, knowing that there was a first responder, I gave them respect and opted not to follow procedures. How did the presence of that Ford Edge parked on the side of the road affect your direction of travel? I had to go around the vehicle. How did you maneuver around it? I had to maneuver to the left, go up, and then maneuver back right into my lane and then continue up uh Fair View. And at any point when you were maneuvering to the left and then angling back to the right, could you see part of the front lawn of the Alberts? Yes. Were you able to see any part of the area around the flagpole? Yes, as I maneuvered back right. And when you uh maneuvered back right and saw that area, what if anything did you see on the ground in the area of the flag pole? I saw nothing. All right. So now you've passed 34 Fair View again. Where do you go? I go back to the top of uh Chapman and again I do a left and a right and head back down uh Fair View. Another three-point turn. Correct. So now you're doing your second up and down. Correct. Correct. All right. So you then enter uh Fair View again coming back down from Chapman and uh how long does it take you to get back down to the area of 34 Fair View again? About 5 10 minutes. Now you are now approaching 34 Fair View and it's on your right or your left this time. Again it's on my left. What if anything did you see in the road at that point? Again I saw the Ford edge in the road. Now it's on your left side. Yes. Uh, did it appear to be in the identical position as when you came up the street toward Chapman? Yes. How much of the area of the flag pole were you able to see this time as you're coming back down from Chapman? I was able, it was obstructed, so I wasn't able to see as much as the first time, but I was still able to see the flag pole. What did you see on the ground in the area of the flag pole at now 3:35 3:40 in the morning? I saw nothing. All right. So now you've done your second up and down pass. Correct. Correct. Where do you go? I go back out on the cedar crest and I continue to do the rest of my route. Now at this point in time, did you do more of your route or spend more time away than you did between the first and second time? I did more of my route staying away from Fair View. And about how long did it take you before you came back to the area of Fair View Road? About 3 hours. So, what is your best estimate of this third time that you're now approaching Fairview Road? About 6:15. And that'd be A.M. A.M. on January 29th. Yes. Now this time when you approached Fairview Road, did you come from the Cedar Crest side or the Chapman side? I came from Chapman Street side. And when you turned, did you turn left or right from Chapman Street to get down to Fair View? I turned right. And once you turned right, did something unusual happen? Yes. I noticed there were um blue lights behind me, forcing me to pull over to the side of the road. Did you recognize the vehicles that had or vehicle? I didn't ask you if there was more than one, but um did you recognize what type of vehicle or vehicles there were? Yes, they were police vehicles. Which vehicle was traveling more quickly, the police vehicle or Franken truck? The police vehicles. What were you doing with your snow plow after the police passed you? I continued down uh Fair View. Coming down Fair View, did you actually lose sight of the police cruiser that had passed you? did. How many side streets are there when you're coming down Fairview from Chapman Street? Three. What are they? Windham, Old Ridge Hill, and then Carriage Lane. Now, you're now coming down Fairview Road. What did you notice ultimately in front of you uh in the road? I noticed the police cars had the road blocked off and preventing me from going to J uh Cedar Crest. And with regard to the lighting on those [Music] police with regard to the lighting on those police vehicles as the road was blocked off, could you describe that for the jury? Uh, sure. So, they had all their um blue lights on and they were parked um blocking the road, the entire road. I couldn't get through. How well lit was it in the area where the police were? Very well lit. So, you're now confronted with a blocked road. What do you do? I turn around at um Carriage Lane and I continue to do that road and then I exit Carriage Lane and go to the left. All right. And going to the left would send you back toward Chapman Street. Correct. Correct. And once you leave the area of Fair View Road, how long did it take you to come back down to Fair View Road to finish the plowing that you didn't do the first time? Uh, as soon as the uh police were able to leave the the uh area, I was able to finish that area. Uh, do you recall what time you finished your shift on January 29th? I I I honestly don't know. I I don't know. I don't remember. I'm sorry. No worries. Uh do you remember if it was daylight out at that time? It was daylight. Okay. Now, uh sir, uh in the aftermath of that storm, all the other details you remember of your shift, but you don't remember what time you got off. first time yes you were approached by anybody connected within this investigation on either side if you recall about two weeks whom who was it that approached you at that time first name is Paul and he described himself as a private investigator for the defense team prior to hearing from the defense private investigator had you ever heard from anybody body from any police department whatsoever? No. Do you know who Michael Proctor is? I do. Objection. I'll allow that. And did Michael Proctor ever call you or contact you at all in those two weeks? No. Where did the defense investigator approach you? If you recall, he approached me at my place of work, which was at the Canton Ice Rink, Metropol Ice Rink. And what were you doing at the uh ice rink? I was uh operating the Zamboni. Um now, without telling us what you told him, did you speak to the defense investigator? Yes, I did. And at uh some point, did you do something with the defense investigator? Yes, I met him uh for a second time at the Kennedy School and then we both drove my route. Uh skipping ahead to the next year, sir, 2023, were you approached by law enforcement officers who were not Canton police or Massachusetts State Police? Yes. Without telling us what you told them, did you speak to them? Yes. Before speaking to them in 2023, had you ever heard from former trooper Michael Proctctor or anybody from this investigation from the state police or Canton police? No. At some point, did you hear from the state police? Yes. That was after you'd already talked to the defense and to these other law enforcement officers who were not state police or Canton police. Yes. And sir, how clear is your memory about what you saw or didn't see in the early morning hours of January 29th of 2022 in the area of 34 Fair View? The first up and down pass, the second up and down pass, and then the third time you came. Very strong. I have no further questions. Thank you, sir. All right, here we go. The exhibit. Oh, I'm sorry. All right, Mr. Brennan, whenever you're ready. Good morning, sir. Good morning. Have you and I met before? No, sir. This is our first time speaking. Yes, sir. Sir, you say that your memory from that night is very strong. Would it be fair to say that before today, you've talked about this case many times? Yes. You've interviewed with different law enforcement people as well as civilians and attorneys, haven't you? Correct. I have not been one of them. No, you have not. And is it fair to say that when you've recounted that night as far as times and what you saw, many times your memory has changed? Is that fair to say it? It's not. You spoke to a private investigator on behalf of the defense shortly after that night? Yes. Was that the first time that you spoke to somebody about what you had seen or not seen? Yes. That is the first time? Yes. Um, inevitably over time you have given statements to at least four different people. Correct. Correct. And you've testified in court under oath. Correct. During the penency from that night until today, it's fair to say there are many times where you have been intimidated, isn't it? No. You've been threatened. No. Um, you were aware, sir, that you were being threatened by an online blogger to expose you? I was not. You're saying as you sit here today, you have no awareness in the history of this case that you were being threatened by an online blogger. I was not threatened by an online blogger. Was the online blogger would expose you and tell personal things about you if you weren't helpful? He was not threatening. Let's remove the word threatening. Was the person communicating and making clear to you that if you didn't testify in a certain way, there would be some consequence to you? Anytime from when you first spoke to the private investigator until today, were there communications made to you by an online blogger that there would be consequence for you if you didn't testify in a way that was acceptable to them? No. You listened, of course, didn't you, to podcasts that were about you? I did not. People told you about them. Yes, I did. When friends told you about them, you knew who that person was that was making those claims. Correct. Correct. You were well aware of the person had a very strong and large social media presence. I didn't know how large or what his presence were, but yes, I knew he had a blog. Well, you know now because you follow that blogger now, don't you? I do follow him. Yes. Do you pay for a subscription? I do not. Did you get one for free? I did not. And in following that blogger, you know full well the power that person has to get attention from the community to harass. Correct. Yes. And so during the pendency of this case, not only were you aware that you were being pressured to testify a certain way, you also there'd be consequence if you didn't. Is that true? Objection. I'm going to allow that. The premise of that question was not accurate. So he he can answer it. You knew there was pressure for you to testify a certain way in this case, didn't you? I did not know I was being required to testify a certain way. I was also at the time dealing with the loss of my wife. I was not paying any attention to any social media. Sorry for your loss, but you are aware during the pan's case that there has been pressure on you to testify in a certain way. Isn't that fair to say? No. Sir, you received a call from that blogger, didn't you? I did. And during that call, did you know the person was recording you? I did not. You later learned that the person recorded you? I did not. Do you know that your conversations were spread throughout the community online? I was. Sir, some of those communications or inquiries were claims that you would be exposed for personal matters if you didn't testify a certain way, weren't they? No. Inevitably, you've met this person, haven't you? I've I've seen him. I haven't met him. Have you ever spent time with him? No, I have not. Are you still a follower of that blog? I am. When you follow the blog, do you read anything or do you watch it? No, I don't do much anything towards the blogger. As you follow it, you can see there are often times articles about you. No. Haven't you ever been encouraged to do the right thing? No. Haven't you ever been celebrated after you've testified in a way favorable for one or the other? Yes. And so when you were being celebrated, that certainly took off any pressure that it would be consequence, didn't it? Objection. Ask it differently. Um, when you were celebrated for testifying a certain way, did you find that to be encouraging? Objection. I'm going to allow it. I did find it to be encouraging. Did you? I did not want it. I don't think I deserved it. All I was doing was my job and telling the truth. Did you enjoy the intention that you got? I did not. Did you pose in photographs with people who support one side or the other? I did. And when you were in those photographs, um, are you saying that you didn't enjoy the attention that you were receiving? I did not. Again, I was trying to be polite and trying to avoid any confrontation that may come from something if I said no. We Well, did anybody from the district attorney's office ever suggest they would confront you or punish you if you didn't testify a certain way? No. How many times how many friends contacted you about what was being said before you testified? The pressure. How many people told you about that? I couldn't tell you. All my friends were telling me. So, you were hearing a lot of noise or information from your friend group and community about what was said being said about you. Yes. Um, and this was before you testified at the first trial, sir. This was before. Okay. So, you work hard, don't you? So, I do. You work many different jobs. I do. You try to be a good citizen. I do. You are not looking for attention. I am not. It was brought to you. It was brought to me. You wish you never had that attention, don't you? Yes. Because you just want to live your life the way you want to live it rather than have people you don't know attacking, criticizing, or intimidating you. Objection. I'll allow that. Could you repeat that, please? So you would it be fair to say that you simply want to live your life the way you've been living it without outside people attacking or pressuring or threatening you? Yes. on June 15, 20 June 5th, 2023. Um, you were contacted by the defense private investigator, weren't you? And you may not know the date. Were you contacted twice by the private investigator? I I would need to know what time frame we're looking at. Fair enough. Um, by the way, the the blogger that I speak of, um, do you know if he is friendly or supports one side over the other? I know he is friendly towards one side. Yes. Okay. The side sitting in the back of the room, I would say the defense team. You've interacted with a private investigator hired by the defense? Yes. Have you also interacted with any of the attorneys? Yes. Which attorneys have you interacted with? Mr. Yianetti. Have you contacted or been Have you spoken to any other attorneys other than Mr. Yianetti? Just Mr. Yianetti. How many times have you spoken to Mr. Yianetti? Again, are we What are we talking first trial? this trial the entire time from that night until today. Can you remember how many times that you've About five times. How many times have you gone in to be interviewed by him? Four times. During those interviews, um, were they spaced out over the course of this case? Yes. What was the purpose of those interviews? To go over my testimony. When you went over testimony, did were you ever shown prior testimony? Yes. Were you shown prior reports? No. Were you shown a prior a prior investigator's report? Yes. Were you shown a prior report by law enforcement agency that is not the state police and not camping? Not by Mr. Yianetti. I saw that first document for the first time during the first trial. When you were discussing your testimony, was there a discussion about the fact that the times that you gave the private investigator were different than the report from that law enforcement agency? Could you repeat that question, please? When you were preparing the trial in those meetings, was it brought up? Did you discuss that there was a difference in your memory or at least in the reports between what you told the defense private investigator and what you told that other law enforcement agency? No. Were you aware that there was a difference between the different statements interpreting your memory as time the first trial? Yes. When you were with the defense preparing for trial, did you go over your testimony? Yes. You go over questions and answers? Yes. Were you ever subjected to a make pretend cross-examination about issues that were important in this case? No. Were you ever pointed to any particular issues that were important to talk about in this case? No. When you did the questions and answers, were they written down or just a conversation? Can you repeat that one, please? I'm sorry. When you went through the questions and answers and preparing practicing for your testimony, were they written down? So, asking to when you were preparing for your testimony, were the questions and answers written down or was it just speaking? Just speaking. Those four times that you met, is that a guess or was it four times? It was about four times. Yes. Could it have been more? No. And during those four times, was there anything different other than going through questions and answers about testimony and preparation? Was there any other subjects you talked about? There were none. Did you ever receive any compensation, sir? I received none. Do you know other people were sending you compensation that you didn't receive? No. You don't know? I I never received anything. Um, were you given anything to bring home with you so that you could remember past testimony or some of the questions and answers that were going to be asked? No. How long were your meetings in preparation for your testimony? About 45 minutes to an hour. Were they all about the same time or were they different? When you came into court last year, uh, it's fair to say this is after you became aware of essentially being targeted. Correct. Objection. He can answer that if he can. Can you answer that, Mr. Lockford? I can. I don't ever felt like I was being targeted. This was after you received all the information from your friends and people in the community that you were being attacked. I'll allow that. Again, I don't feel like I was being targeted. Are you concerned after this case what happens with the blogger that you follow? No. You talked about your um meeting with the private investigator. The first time you met him, do you remember that meeting? Yes. Do you remember where you met him? I met him at my place of employment. Did you go anywhere with him that day? No, I did not. You had a conversation with him and you spoke about what you had remembered from that night? Yes. Do you remember when you spoke to that private investigator, you weren't sure how many times you went up and down Fairview that night that you had said two or three? No, I I told him I went up at 2:30 at 2. I told him at 3:30 I went up two went up and down and I told him about 3 hours later I went up and down. I'm excuse me I went down and wasn't able to go around the police cruisers and had to turn around at carriage lane. You mentioned that you believe you told the private investigator that you went up and down at 2:30. Um, do you remember when you spoke to the private investigator, you actually said 3:00? I don't remember the 3:00. May I approach? Yes. And before I do, do you remember you said that when you went on your second pass it was around 3:15? I told him I went up Fair View. between about 2:40 to 2:45 and I said it about 45 minutes later I went for the second time. He's having trouble with what he memorized here. Okay. Now, you said 2:30 and you just now said 240 to 245 and then you said 45 minutes later. Yep. Okay. Do you remember telling the private investigator that wouldn't you think or you said you saw a Ford Ed, you were actually still on Cedarbrook? Not on Fairview passing by it, but you saw it from the street at Cedarbrook. Do you remember telling him that? Um, I don't secret I don't remember ever saying that. May I approach? Yes. Don't show your copy. This is a report that you didn't write, so I don't want you to read it. I want to show it to you and see if it helps remind you of what you told the private investigator that day. You can look at any part of this, but what I'm asking you is whether or not you remember telling the private investigator that when you saw the car, you weren't passing on. you were up on Cedar Crest. That's the question I'm asking. So, I'd ask you to look whatever part you want, but I'm going to point out the part to you. When you're done, don't answer. Just look up and then I'll get to ask you some questions about your memory. Okay. Okay. So, um I directed this part, but you can look at any part that you want, sir. [Applause] Are you done, sir? Yes. May I approach your honor? Yes. Sir, do you now remember when you were speaking to the defense investigator about seeing a car? You said that about 3:30 to 4:00 a.m. when you were plowing Cedar Crest Road, you looked toward Fair View Road and saw a small SUV parked in front of the house. Remember telling the PI that? I never remember telling him that. When you spoke to law enforcement, not the Canton police or the state police, um you understood it was important to be as accurate as possible. Yes. And you understood at least with that law enforcement agency, if you misled them in any way, it could be up to a 10-year penalty. Yes. When you spoke to them, um, did you take that interview very seriously? Yes. Tried to be as precise and accurate as you could. Yes. And when you spoke to them, obviously, like anybody, you had in mind that there could be serious consequences if they felt misled. Yes. You try to be honest with them. Yes. Provide them your best memory and good faith. Yes. And this was shortly before well actually this was May 24th 2023. Correct. Correct. When you met there was more than one person there from this agency. I believe so. Was there potentially two? There was two. And when you met with them they asked you about when you began working that night? Yes. You told them 11:30 to midnight. I never told them that. And so as you sit here today, your memory is you did not tell those law enforcement agents that you began work at 11:30 to 12. We had a 2:30 start time. I understand, but I'm asking you. I never told them that it was always 2:30 start time. When you spoke to them, do you remember telling them the first time you were out near the area was midnight? Nope. No. When you spoke to those law enforcement personnel, were they taking notes? I believe so. Have you ever seen their report? The first trial I did? Yes. Who showed you that report? It was shown to me by uh prosecu prosecutor Lai. You think a You think prosecutor Lai showed you that report? It was shown to me. And do you remember telling those two law enforcement personnel that you believe that there were emergency vehicles, ambulances or police cars in front of Fair View at 3 to 3:30 a.m.? I do not. Are you saying that you did not say these things to them or are you saying that that's not your memory? That's not what I said. And so you're saying that's wrong. You're denying you made those statements. Correct. At the time you they say that you told them there was emergency w uh vehicles there at 3:00 a.m. That is the same time that you told the PI that you saw the Ford Edge around 3:30 to 4. Correct. About 3:30 is when I saw the Ford Edge. Um, it was dark out that night, wasn't it? Correct. There are no street lights down near that flag pole area of 34 Fair View, is there? Yes, there is. Okay. Was it on that night? I I can't tell you honestly if it was. You testified at trial. I'm sorry, at a proceeding last year. Uh, I testified that there there were it was asked to me that there were not any street lights and I entered in the affirmative way and having living in that neighborhood, I saw that there were actual street lights. You testified at a proceeding last year, didn't you? Yes. I mean, you testified at the proceeding. Um, did you meet anybody from the defense close in time to that proceeding? I I don't know, you know, when we met or how close to the proceedings it was. Do you remember being prepared before you went into trial last time? Yes. By by Yanetti, excuse me. Do you remember telling the defense private investigator that you made your final pass at 6:30 a.m.? I remember I told him it was about 3 hours going down Cedar Crest and was not able to go to the end of Fair View due to the uh first responders. At trial last year, do you remember saying it was 5:30? I did. And today you had said about 6:15. Yes. Okay. Um, you weren't timing anything on a watch for times, were you? I was not. You were not accounting in any way for time whatsoever when you were out that night, were you? No, I was not. When you're providing times, are you trying to use your best memory? Yes. Do you recognize that you've have a differing memory on times of what you did that night? No. You talked about your view from the tow truck and that you have a bunch of lights on it. On the tow truck, you had mentioned that your vision to the side was 5 to 6 ft. Um, can you rephrase that, please? Yes, of course. You said when you were driving a tow truck, you could see forward and sideways. Okay. I don't want to be I I don't drive a tow truck. My apologies. My apologies. A snow plow. Thank you. You said you can see forward and sideways. I can see forward. I can see diagonal. And I can see right to left. When you look right to left, you said you could see about 5 ft. Correct. Do the lighting conditions affect how well you can see? No. Does the weather? Yes. When you're plowing, um, are you ever looking at the street in front of you? Yes. Are you looking at people's front yards? Yes. And so, what did you see as far as the front door of the Albert House that night? Was it open or closed? It was closed. Were lights on? I I can't answer that for sure. I don't remember if there were lights on. How about the neighbors on the left? Were you looking at their front line? Yes. Did you see if their lights were on? Again, I didn't recognize if their lights were on. Do you look at every neighbor's front line up to the door as you're driving in the snow plowing? I I look to the right and to the left and my eyes will graze to the to the yard. Yes, I will look there. You were saying you have a specific memory of looking at the Albert front yard all the way to the door. Do you have a specific memory of looking at the other neighbors yards to their door? Can you repeat that, please? I'm sorry. Yes. You said that you looked at the Albert house all the way to the door. Correct. Do you have a memory of looking at any other houses all the way to the door? Yes. Okay. Which house had a dumpster in front of it? Um I I don't know. I I I wasn't paying attention to a dumpster. dumpster wouldn't be in the front yard. Um, are you sure on your route there was no dumpsters in anybody's front yard? I can tell you there was a dumpster this week. No, I'm I'm more interested in January 29th, 2020. I can't answer to that. I don't remember. A dumpster, a 15 by 20 foot dumpster. That would be bigger than a man's body, wouldn't it? Yes, it would be. And so you have no really specific memory of the other homes in the neighborhood that night? I mean, I looked. I saw I didn't see a dumpster. That would have definitely stuck out. Okay. You said you had vision as far as your eyes could see. Correct. Um, what does that mean? Means if there were, you know, my eyes were as long as they're open, I can see as far as they will let me see. And is that dependent on lighting conditions, darkness, snow? Correct. That night, did you have any difficulty paying attention or driving? I did not. Did you have a small accident that night? I did. Okay. What did you hit? I hit a uh portable basketball net. Was that part because of the weather conditions? You didn't have a good opportunity to see it? Nope. I I definitely saw it and just did not judge enough. You said that you went up and down the road a couple of times. When you were asked to describe the car that you said you saw, um, when you first spoke to the defendant's private investigator, you didn't give any detail about the type of car, did you? I told her it was a Ford Edge. Okay. When you first spoke to the investigator, you used the words Ford Edge. I did. Did they bring you to a parking lot at some point? They did. And when they brought you to a parking lot, did they have you go out in the parking lot and look at a Ford Edge? They did. And when they had you go out and look at the Ford Edge, did they have you identify that as the type of car? Yes, they did. And when you did that, how many cars were in the parking lot? We had a b a uh hockey game. So there were several at least 100 150. Who pointed you to the Ford Edge? I pointed to it. Did the investigator take you to the Ford Edge? No, he did not. It was just an open parking lot and he asked you to look around to see if they happened to be a similar car. No. I I told him a Ford Edge. He wanted to make sure I knew what a Ford Edge looked like. I pointed to the Ford Edge and he was satisfied. So after you said a Ford Edge, he brought you to a parking lot to point out a car. We were at my place of business. We just walked out the door. Where was that? At the Metropol's ice rink. The rink. Ice rink. Yes. Did you then meet the investigator later on at a school? Yes, I did. And who did you meet at the school? I met uh Paul again. And what was the purpose of that? He wanted to go through my route. You want to go through your route? Correct. And then um did you choose to meet at the school? I did. You did? I did. And why did you choose the school? It was an easier landmark for the gentleman to get to and it was minutes from my route. Did you know that former trooper Proctor's sister worked there? I had no idea. You said last year that when you went by um Fair View, did you say that you would buy your final pass at 5:30 a.m.? No. Okay. [Applause] May I approach? Yes. Sir, when you have contact, you also wear reading glasses. Yes. I can't read things up close. Understood. This is trial testimony, Friday, June, I'm sorry, testimony from June 21st, 2024. And you were asked Do you recall what time it was that you wound up back on Fair View? You said I honestly I don't honestly recall what specific time. Yes. Yes. And then you were asked approximately if it was 3:15 to 3:30 that second time, what would be your best estimate of the time you came back? And would you say say about 5:30? And so even last year you were having some difficulty remembering the times, right? Objection system. Were you having difficulty last year remembering the times that you were on Fair View? No. When you said you were on Fair View last year at 5:30, um, you didn't see anything on the Albert front lawn at 5:30 a.m. I wasn't on Fair View at 5:30 a.m. Okay. Um, were you asked last year about your travels on Fair View? Yes. Okay. when you asked about you recall was the time you wound up on Fair View and you said you didn't remember. Do you remember that testimony? I do. And is that true testimony? Yes, it is. Okay. So, you had some difficulties in your memory of when you were on Fair View when you testified last year. Isn't that fair to say? No, it's not fair. And then you were asked approximately if it was 3:15 to 3:30 the second time, what time did you come back? And I said I if I were to guess I said 45 minutes later. Um did you say I would say if I had to say it would have been 5:30 up Fairview. That time was incorrect. It was 6:15. I couldn't go down any further due to the police presence. So your testimony last year you understandably made a mistake about the time. Correct. I did. Right. And it's true, isn't it? That you really have somewhat foggy memory about the times. It is not. That time of 5:30 is very different than the time you told the agents when you met them. I'm sorry, the law enforcement officials that weren't from Canton or the state police. That was very different than when you told them 3 to 3:30. Very different. Very. And it's different than the 3:30 to 4 timeline that you gave the defense private investigator the first time you spoke to them. Correct. Correct. And it's different than what you told the jury today that it was 6:15. It's different, but it's not when you plowed that night. Did you have any reason to look for somebody who was lying on the side of a yard? No. Did you have any expectation somebody would be lying helpless on the side of a yard that night? No. If you had seen somebody, certainly you would have helped. Correct. when you said that um well when the private investigator asked you where you were when you said you saw the Ford Edge um are you saying that you didn't tell the private investigator that you were on Cedar? I don't remember telling him I was on Cedar Chris. I do remember telling him that I had turned on to Fair View and saw the vehicle. Cedar Crest in a storm at night is quite a distance from the flag pole at Fair View, isn't it? No. About 300 ft. Roughly difficult to see under those conditions? No. Could we have exhibit 71, Stream Zero at about 6:17 a.m., please? Okay. If he will look, if he says he can't see the screen, Phil, you owe me a hundred bucks. No, I don't. You see that street light? I do. Okay. Um, at the end of that road, past the street light is Cedar Crest. Correct. Correct. Is that a fair depiction of the elements that night around that time? Yes. And in this case, there's further illumination with the car that's facing us. Correct. That wasn't there, was it? Correct. You said after you saw law enforcement, um, did you come down Fair View after you saw law enforcement? I was on Fair View already when I saw the law enforcement. Did you drive by Cedar Crest again to go back and forth and watch what was going on or did you go on your route? I went on my route which included Cedar Crest. Did you keep driving by because you wanted to watch or did you just leave and do your regular route? I went and did my regular route. Could I have 61927 please? And could you play it? If you could back up a little before 619 27. Is that weather consistent with what it looked like to you? Yes. Is that you there? I don't know if that's me. Yes, that's me. That is me. Could we go to 63245, please? is that you again. That one I can't tell if that was me again. Could we go to 63514, please? Was that you? I don't see it. I I don't I don't see the truck. I'm sorry. It's okay. Could we go back to 63512? I see the truck right on the left side of the screen. Correct. That looks like to be a pickup truck. That does not look like my truck. 63745, please. That's you again, right? Again, I don't I can't tell you for sure if that was me. Those were not your red and orange lights consistent with the earlier ones that went by. What I saw the first time was the reflecting tape off the body of my truck. I have a a plow guy that is a contractor that we work in tandem together. And was he out there that night as well going by Fair View? Correct. Okay. Um, did you ever tell the private investigator about him? Yes, I did. 7:00 22 seconds, please. Is that you, sir? I can't say for sure. 7:15 45 seconds, please. Good morning, everyone. Morning. Remember today is a half day everyone. Today is a half day. How you doing, Gia? I'm doing good. Doing good. How you doing? Doing great. Good. He's happy cuz we made the five years and I am now banned from Jimmy John's. Wasn't me. wasn't me. I'm happy for a whole lot more reasons than that. He's also happy that I uh was exposed to the flu apparently and I've already had I'm happy with so many other reasons that have nothing to do with you, Jim. Imagine that. Now, Gia, yeah. Is this the Is this the type of mindless uh surf that uh you as a mob boss look for? Mindless what? Mindless surf. Uh Lucky. He'll just do whatever you tell him to do. Yeah, basically. Or he's going to sleep with the fishes. Was that you, sir? That was me. How long does your root take? It it's it's hard to say. I mean, I as long as it's snowing, it can take as long as it takes. Well, if you're going to do a pass, how long does an entire pass take? If I were to do from Cedar Crest to the end, it would take probably 10 minutes. If I were to do the entire route, you know, I'm not cleaning up. I'm just giving it a pass so people can get through. Could take about 3 hours, could take four hours. When you mentioned Brian Albert on your direct examination, had you talked to the defense about Brian Albert in your preparation for the testimony? No. You knew some of the Albert family? I' I know the entire Albert family. And you know Brian Albert as a police officer? Yes, I do. Why is it that three times in your direct testimony you characterized him as a first responder? Because he's a police officer. They're first responders. Did anybody ever suggest to you to use the terms or the phrases first responder when you were describing Brian Albert? No one did. Those are my words. Since your trial testimony last year, since your testimony last year, have you I can't say I've ever referred to a police officer as a first responder since last year when you testified. Have you received any without other reasons behind calling him a first responder to testify? No. Have you had any further focus or problems? No. Yeah. Now they're posting all the turtle boys lives with him threatening talking about this guy you were in Discord. He is going beat [ __ ] red. Mr. Brennan about he is whether you saw a dumpster that night. Do you recall that line of questioning? I do. In the aftermath of January 29th of 2022, was a dumpster all over the news for the next three and a half years? Not that I'm aware of. You were asked about going through your route with the defense investigator and giving a statement to the defense investigator. Yes. Um, how soon after January 29th of 2022 was that? Two weeks. Were the events fresh in your mind at that time? Yes. Finally. Oh, actually not finally. I got two more points, but they're both brief. Uh, you had mentioned that that night uh you actually misjudged and hit a net. Yes. Can you describe the basketball apparatus that uh and I'm going to ask you what part of it you hit, but describe what what that looks like? It It's got a base with wheels on it. It's portable, so you can move it in and out. Uh, and it's got the basketball frame and it's got the backboard and then rim. Okay. So, this this is not a pole that was cemented into the ground. Correct. So, perhaps we're we're all familiar with it. The black base that maybe you put sandbags on, correct? That type of thing to keep it in place, but it does have wheels. Correct. All right. And you mentioned the net. The net is the rope netting that comes down. Correct. Correct. Uh there's also a hoop that keeps the net in place. Yes. And the pole. Correct. And the base. Correct. Of all those things, what part did your uh Franken truck actually catch? It caught the net in the little bit part of the frame of the the the frame where the net was something that you saw from the beginning. You just misjudged the distance. Correct. Now, finally, uh with regard to the 530 hit the net testimony that you in the hoop. Uh, did you also testify that the last pass that you tried to make when the police were blocking the scene was about 3 hours after that 3:30 second up and down? Yes. So, so he put the lime in the coconut. You testified that it was 3 hours later, but you came up with the time of 5:30 as the final time. I'm kind of wondering if you're asking me these questions. I'm trying to do the math in my head. I'm sorry. Math is not my strong suit. What time was it when you made that final pass, sir? 6:15. 6:15. 6:30. I have nothing for now. He says 6:30. Yes, he's he me he's got that down, but he doesn't remember what time he got off. You mentioned you're trying to do the math in your head. There there is no reason why you would specifically remember certain times on each pass other than trying to remember and give an accounting, right? Could you rephrase that, please? Sure. You don't have your watch out on a certain schedule that you have to pass a certain street at a certain time. Correct. You weren't marking your times to some event when you were driving up and down the street that night, were you? No. So, you're trying to go back with your memory and piece it together the best you can. Correct. And that's why you're giving estimates. Yes. Correct. When you spoke to those law enforcement officials, not Canton, not State Police, and you said at 3:00 you saw first responder vehicles. That was based on your memory, wasn't it? Objection. It's based on your memory. Not at 3:30, right? Do you know that there was a car similar to a Ford Edge in front of 34 Fair View around 6:00 a.m. that morning? I don't I wasn't able to get in front of Fair View Drive, 34 Fair View at 6:00 in the morning. Have you ever met Carrie Roberts before? I have not. Council just asked you if there was a lot of media about this case and you said that there was. I Did he just ask you a question about whether there was a lot of attention on this case? Objection. Did he just talk to you about everything that happened after this case? all the attention on this case. Objection. You remember his question about all the attention after this case? He asked specifically a question about the dumpsters and he said that wasn't subject to a lot of attention, was it? Correct. Right. But this case was the case itself. Yes. The people involved in this case were subject to a lot of attention. Correct. And you spoke to the defense investigator after this case as far as detention is concerned. You remember speaking to the investigator on June 5th, 2023? Yes. And do you know coincidentally that is the day that the blogger put out the articles on you accusing you of not doing the right thing? Sister, may I approach? Yes. showing you a document. The blogger that probably irks the [ __ ] out of him. At the same time, he's mildly mildly turned on. June 5th, 2023. Without reading it, that document talks about you. Correct. And your friends and people in the community talked to you about this article, didn't they? Not specifically this article, but they were sending me stuff that were being printed about me. Yes. Why don't you take a little look at what said and you can tell us whether that's the same type of information that was being conveyed to you with Can you ask that question again, please? Was this some of the kind of attention that you were receiving on June 5th after you spoke to the defense investigator? Yes. Like come back. Okay. This is what the second sidebar. Yeah, second sidebar of the day. And this was a calculated sidebar. I'm wondering if he Oh, Turtle Boy is right there in center of the screen with a big smile on his face. He is so happy. I'm getting I'm getting mentioned in the trial. He is so happy right now, but he's pretending to be like, "Oh my goodness, they're talking about me. Oh, I've got nothing to do with that. Well, uh, I am betting that Brennan will have asked to have the entire testimony stricken as Lucky just lied a couple of times in provable ways. You know, were you just asked about? I was just asked about the dumpsters. was messed about the plugger and turtle boy being present in the courtroom has got to be biasing this witness. He's being discussed directly and he's making these faces or at least he was before they went up to to to Lieutenant Fan. But they're friends now. Oh, they're BFFs now. But Turtle Boy's actions or alleged the alleged actions we are we are stating that he did or I am stating that he did with the faces could be influencing the witness. And Turtle Boy is of course facing over 20 charges of witness intimidation. Just of some note there. Just a little. Little little. No. A little. 20 counts of felony witness intimidation. Why can't they say his name? Uh, probably because they previously were banned from saying his name within I know for the first one they were banned. All rise for the court, please. Why? I don't understand why he can't be called out. Uh because his trial. Uh, yeah, probably. And it sounds like they just got rid of the jury. They just took the jury out. Turtle Boy's paint on trial now. But they literally They just took the jury out. Something's going on. Something bad. Maybe they're going to call Turtle Boy. Well, he's not on the witness list, so But he is. Oh, I thought he was. Oh, the def the prosecution had him, right? Yeah, prosecution had him. The defense does not. Of course not. So, there goes the jury. Something big's about to happen. M trial. He is getting his stuff together there. Uh, Allessie just left. Everybody just left. or they're up with the I wonder if Turtle Boy will be uh calling his attorney as he needs instant representation. Now he's moved to the front to to take uh for those who don't know Turbo Boy is the man in the always dressed appropriately for court. Yes. like a 13year-old boy. Like a true professional, like an awardwinning journalist. Yes. And and the the the bright shirt is not screaming, "Look at me. Look at me. Look at me at all." Nope. The blogger. Let's see. I wonder because um Lucky was looking over that way, right? And we were, you know, I'm guessing it was at the defense, but, you know, could be. And that witness yesterday, that witness yesterday looked directly at Jackson when he was answering questions. And and Brennan said, "I'm over here." Yeah. Over here. Yep. And yeah, I had a sidebar after that. My eyes are up here, young man. That's right. That's right. Uh, the jury was called out. There is a sidebar going on. Allessie has left the room. Uh, oh, did I update the sidebar? I did not update the sidebar. Maybe we have someone coming in to confess. Uh, or maybe Karen Reed just pooped herself. So, But uh we did have a complaint yesterday. We had a couple of complaints. We had a complaint that we were too biased on the Australia [Music] Palooa show and that a certain individual was never coming back. that individual who we're not we're not gonna say did accuse us of being too political and was not here where I issued an onair apology about 2 minutes after the incident directly to the person I did I did too we clarified our positions and all are welcome in our side chat we do not normally go into politics and if we did offend anyone We apologize for that. I didn't know we went into politics though. That's that was confusing part of me. But but we are just for those who know and those who haven't listened to us, we are in fact leaning towards the police most of the time. That's just our viewpoint. There are a million other blogs out there and a million other uh uh streams that have the opposite and they lean towards the defense. We don't. We try to give it as as neutral a position as our our kids can ring us. What's that? As the world turns since General Hospital was me mentioned yesterday. But you know, we obviously have biases and we're going to give our opinions as are as truly as our opinions uh can be reflected. Also, uh the second note was we are too crude and that someone is not going to watch anymore because we are too crude during the live streams and that no idea what Yeah. Uh apparently the motorboating I guess and that was my no [ __ ] idea what they're talking about. Yeah, we are too crude and they will be sticking to the newscast. We are not making fun of this person. That is their opinion. Everyone's entitled to their opinion. We don't tend to be too crude, but crude. Did you say crude? Yep. I have no idea what they're talking about. I really should be banned now then. Yeah. Uh, or I should be banned cuz I guess it was my motorboating sound that disturbed people. Oh, don't do it again. Don't do it again. We we we we might be taken off the air by whoever's Yes. So, um, yeah. uh we we are ourselves and sometimes we make humorous references and sometimes we make humorous noises. That's just part of it. Especially during things like the Australia Palooa where we are on the air for 22 hours straight. There's three times. You are you are 60 million people in the United States and we should all all of them. Yes. All we're slacking off. Yep. Yeah. Uh meanwhile uh Turtle Boy for example on his frequent well in the past has displayed nudity and in the past had his own nudity inadvertently displayed. Uh, so you mean when he when he purposely films himself uh punishing extracting extracting DNA from his body or from his his his innie Excuse me. I'm about to eat breakfast. Oh, I'm sorry. That's your own fault? Yes. Uh Parson has a complaint. Parson please say your complaint in side chat. That's go ahead person. I will highlight it as turtle boy has moved to why person has a complaint. Exactly. I don't know. P person has a complaint. So he says he said I don't give a [ __ ] I don't give a [ __ ] See, I have a complaint. So, we are waiting for his complaint to show up and then we will address his complaint. I have no more shits to give. Now, remember, tomorrow is Parson Friday where Parson will be married off to at least five more women, maybe. Wait a minute. Today is Wednesday, not Thursday. Oh, okay. And then in two days it's Parson Friday. I don't know anymore. Of course you don't. Two weeks in a row you you're premature on Friday. Yeah, I know. And I see the doctor about that. Yes. Or I hear they have I hear they have meds for helping that. Sure. Lucky needed them, too. Uh, excuse. Oh, that's an opinion. That is an opinion we are expressing or at least I'm expressing now. Here we go. Uh, Parson says, "I'm tired of being married off to less than prime stock." Oo, big words. Big words. So, he is complaining about the quality of the women that we are finding for him. Despite last night, even though the woman was designated to be NCR's dream date, we allowed him to step in for the missing NCR and be temporarily married to the girl of his dreams. He uh so person we gave you special treatment last night. This is how you treat us. Yep. Pop, take over. I'm crying too much. It's upsetting me. It's upsetting me. You're upsetting Jim. We're sensitive snowflakes. [ __ ] you. No. Yes, we exactly. Let it out, Phil. Let it out. [Music] Okay, now we're going up to the fan. I have no idea what the random words that they're picking up are, but since it is a half day, I fully intend to watch a movie on my MetaQuest 3 today. And I may even watch part of that while using the exercise bike. I haven't decided what movie should I watch while I'm on the exercise bike. Put it in side chat on YouTube. And no, I'm not watching pornography before Debbie does tell us the return. Was there a return? I know they had a TV series on Showtime or or it was the curse of Debbie Does Dallas or something like that. I didn't actually watch it. So Parson says he needs a nurse. So maybe some of NCR's wives could come over and be Parson's nurse. We could probably find a nurse. Yes. Who was pulled over and acted poorly. Or could it be from the naughty nurse of the 407? There we go. Serio says she is behind, but Gia said taint. Gia said taint. Gia said it. Yes. Gia said taint and serial is finding that quite humorous. Excuse me. I would too. Does that taint your image of Gia? She taint misbehaving. That's right. Yeah, it does. It does not taint my uh impartion of GIA. Uh Parson says he's seeing a specialist tomorrow. Okay. Parson was briefly hospitalized on Sunday and we're wishing him the best in his recovery. By by the way, we just like to point out it was Sunday but after the truck rally. Yes. At the fair. Uh, we also uh watched, or at least I watched it uh yesterday, Merb uh watching Liberty Troll watch himself uh interview Lane Myers, who didn't appear on screen. So, there was this little merb in the corner, then a little Liberty Troll behind him, and then a big Liberty Troll on screen. And it was blowing my mind because Liberty Troll actually recorded himself watching himself in the big window watching himself with Lane Meyer. Okay. Yes. Interview Lane Myers. And he obviously had no idea whatsoever the particulars of Lane Myers's case or anything, but he was agreeing with everything that Lane was saying. So, yes. Yes. you you're you're unfairly being held. And yes, yes, the victim is an alleged victim and it's okay to say her name. Uh because that's that's okay. And yeah, they stop they stopped you saying the victim and just started using her name. And Lane was like, "What are they going to do? I'm already in jail." Oh god. Then Lane uh Merr pointed out and I pointed it out as well in the article. Uh Lane seems to be resolved that he will be in jail for 43 years or at least that's what he's saying and playing it up like he's already knows that he's lost his case and he will probably be sentenced to 43 years in jail because he's doing everything in his powers to tank his case. Yes. Uh Lane has also previously said that he's going to lose, but he will win on appeal and he will he alluded to the fact that uh as Michael Eline had told him even though it's past the deadline for such an action that he might have a window to get the case transferred to federal court, which Eli later corrected himself because the window for that had passed months ago. The Federals. The Federals. Yeah, there's some sort of obscure way he could have some cockami Michael Eline thing where he could have had the charges heard in federal court if he could prove that he couldn't get a fair hearing in the local courts. Now I'd just like to remind you um Yes. This is uh what happens when you don't go to law school. Yes. Yes. Uh G not buffering. We have not lost audio. So that's you not us unfortunately. Well, I think I am going to get some buffering. That's a good idea. Well, I already had that. Slight headers. Light sighlight headed. Yeah. Uh, and see, I don't know if we finished high school or not. I don't think so. I don't think so. And G and G is still on panel. She says she left. Now she left. There we go. Good. Good. Get out of here. Get out of here, you bum. I was hoping G would say moist tank just for Cicero. Moist. There you go. Moist. Uh, Gia must be having connection issues cuz she literally just got out of the room. I told you something big was going on right now. For those who are joining us, they went to a sidebar after uh snowplow driver Lucky was Here's Gia back. Uh snowplow driver Lucky was caught in some misstatements. We've had growling furball giving me the death stare because I'm eating breakfast. Yep. What are you What are you having for breakfast? I made hash browns and two eggs um over easy. Yeah. And she's already been fed and she's staring at me like I abuse her daily. You do. Mhm. And Hank, you need to stop saying moist taint. You need to stop that. Stop saying moist taint. Need to stop saying moist taint. Yes, you need. But why? Moist taint is a fun phrase. Because Cicero says for you to stop. So you stop saying moist. But Jim and I and Gia, we can say moist all we want to because we were not told to stop. Now is your taint moist? Because hash browns at McDonald's are now $3.29 with withstra. So yes, my my taint is moist from anal leakage. Oh, I'm sorry. Is that crude? Is that crude? Was that crude? That is too crude. That is too crude. That is too crude. Especially with with Gia eating her breakfast. That is too. Now, uh yes. Uh the other news we have for you is that after speculation that Chile was indeed going to be filing in Massachusetts against Lackluster and others, he filed in Massachusetts against Lackluster, Kate Peter and Josh accountability for all Abrams. Uh he is seeking $1 million and charging 40 or $400 an hour for prostay work and he expects those to be picked up by the defendants when he wins the lawsuit. So his use of chat GPT is worth $400 an hour. Brilliant. Say you remind me again how many how many lawsuits has Chile won? Uh exactly zero. I believe he did get he did get the Apple Valley uh well on a misdemeanor trip. Was that a ticket? It was a ticket. Yes, it was a ticket. It was a ticket. Yes. And all those kids humiliated him. I'm surprised he didn't sue. We just want some ice cream, dude. Uh we do have uh we do have a nice comment here. Uh thank you so much for your insightful and informative updates. It allows us to keep up with the constitutional law lawyer without sub supporting his channels. Just a correction, he is not a lawyer. Sure. Sure. You need you need to get that one framed. But he's got a power of attorney. [Laughter] Uh we are getting quite a bit of hits on our new story. Uh yeah, and we explained it in the previous story that Diccastro essentially went shopping for an area that uh had a three-year statute of limitations because he needed Boston. Well, Kate Peter and Josh Abrams look to be along for the ride for defamation uh charges, especially since he is saying that Dale Lackluster Hiller said one line uh less than 30 words to justify the milliondoll claim against Dale Hiller. Yep. one line that is easily proved as fact. One line. Yes. that that uh he also strangely included the uh deposition or not depositions but witness statements that he allegedly coerced people into providing during the summer of 2022 where these were if memory serves correct I am not stating this is a fact this is my memory of it where he tried to use these statements in a protective order against Kate Peter and was not allowed to do so because they were not properly taken. Uh the names are redacted. I will have to double check and if I'm wrong, I will apologize, but these look suspiciously like the ones he had in 2022 and the ones that were not allowed into court. The lawsuit itself is two pages along with five pages of these depositions. And he also has redacted the names on the depositions because he says that they including one from his cousin uh will be subject to ridicule and harassment online. Well, yes. Yes. Ridicule and harassment. Well, no. No one should be harassed. Well, he says they will. So that's why he redacted the names. Well, I know that he said that. I'm just I'm just clarifying that Shelly Shelly should be ridiculed online because well, he's an idiot. opinion. No, in your opinion because remember he has five John Dos listed that he does not know the identity of this time at this time. It is it is not my opinion. All right. I I get messages from the almighty EU eu who says Chile's an idiot. I have a religious I have a religious freedom to express that my message I get directly from Euio is Chile's an Indian. And just to clarify something, uh over in over on uh insight chat on, uh YouTube, Sugi is asking, "Wasn't his previous lawsuit against Kate Peter and Josh Abrams dismissed with prejudice?" No, it wasn't. It was dismissed for not stating a claim. And by that time he had turned he had withdrawn the accusations he had made against Kate Peter and Josh Abrams though their counter claims had stood till the end of trial and changed the entire lawsuit into a copyright infringement lawsuit and added Google YouTube Google China whatever into the lawsuit. It was dismissed for his literal lack of stating a claim. There was no claim to be made. So, it was dismissed. The counter suits by Abrams and Peter were also dismissed, but they were not based on these current charges he's made. The current charges were made on a live stream that featured Kate Peter, Josh Abrams, and Lackluster. and he quotes extensively from what they supposedly said on that live stream. The thing is there's a glaring problem with Diccastro's filing. The filing came on June 3rd of 2025. The statements were allegedly made on June 1st, 2022. Now, my math skills are not as good as Lucky what's his face who who just testified to that. But 25 - 3 is 22. And if the statement was made on the 1st and the lawsuit was filed on the 3, that is indeed beyond the scope of the 3year statute of limitations. That's just my observation, but we'll see what the court says. We'll see what the court says because I mean there there could be the excuse that he filed it and it just didn't show up or whatever, but it seems like he's two days late to file. What do you think, guys? Julie's an idiot. And in this case, we are on a short break. Uh, apparently on a short break. Uh, unknown whether we're on a break or if they're in an intense argument. Court TV is saying it's on a break. And I've got uh next hour I may be missing for five minutes because I have to go pick up I have to go out and get my nephew from the bus stop which is right in our front yard. Yes, I have to leave the house. Be afraid. And it's sunshine out and there are flowers blooming so I could die right on the spot. No, I'm not webcaming it, Phil. I'm not streaming it. But yes, I could die right on the spot for my allergies. Combat pain. And in fact, since they're officially on a break, uh, let's do three minutes of music while I take care of something at the house here. So, let's stop this. There it is. No, I got to go check on my mom. My mom's still sick from this morning. And I got to double check what time to get the kiddo. So, we will be right back with you. I'm going to run downstairs quickly and we'll be back. [Music] [Applause] stimul. [Music] [Applause] I [Music] watch this mother [Music] That's why you come down. [Applause] [Music] They are [Music] day to continue. [Music] [Applause] to [Music] satisfy baby. [Music] Come here, baby. [Music] I wouldn't mind to be alone with you. I wouldn't mind if it were just us two. ing hands and sing shine. I wouldn't mind if you took all my time. The music plays but all passing to stay with you and you with me. You tell me tenderly I wouldn't mind. Look at the stars. They shine so bright. There ain't nothing I've ever had that felt this right. We've come so far. for a while. But if we did it all again, I wouldn't [Music] mind. I wouldn't mind to dance the night away. I wouldn't mind if this is where we stay. Drinking wine and spinning around. Turning this place upside down. Okay, we are back. Let me check on the court. Jim, you're muted. No, I'm not. Jim, you're muted. I'm not muted. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Okay. I am not muted. Jim, you're muting. Uh, that may be a possibility. Yes, that may be a possibility. Uh, so yes, my mother is waking up. So, yeah. Haha. Gia. Haha. But my mom is waking up so she can take care of the kiddo when he gets home from school for the last day of first grade today. Uh, she is Whoa, that was a strange jump into [Applause] the to Lieutenant fan. They just zoomed in, zoomed out, zoomed back in. Uh let's see what else we are. Uh sorry, just catching up on some chats here and some messages we've had. Uh folks, yeah, right now we're on a break from the Karen Reed court case. It may be the morning break. There was some discussion about what was going on with uh the snowplow driver uh before they took this extended break. There was a sidebar in process and all of a sudden we have gone to this extended break which is mysterious because frankly they're on a half day today. They're supposed to be done by 1:00. So uh I'm not sure if that is because of regular scheduling or if someone has an appointment today, but they're supposed to be out of here by 1. We have planned the day around the 1:00. And yeah, we will be back with you at 8:00 tonight, 7 o'clock where it counts. 6:00 uh Mountain time and 5:00 p.m. Pacific. So, uh we will be discussing this. We'll be discussing Chile's uh new lawsuit against uh lackluster Kate Peter and Josh Bitchtitz Abrams. Uh oh, did I was I crude? Sorry, I was not meant to be crude. Uh so Josh [ __ ] Tits Abrams, we apologize for calling you Josh. Yes, you are Joshua. Okay, you can call him bitchtits. That's not crude. As long as you don't motorboat him. Okay. Well, well, I I we we errored because his real name is Joshua. So Joshua, even though he goes by Josh and [ __ ] tits on occasion. So I don't know. Uh, that's our story and we're sticking to it. Uh, is there anything else going on in the news? Uh, LIIA was doing something I didn't even look. It's hard when he's figning outrage so much. He is again trying to get help from his fans for questions to ask in an upcoming deposition against a uh against a uh police officer apparently. So yeah, it's not at all to humiliate the officer. It is what the people want to know. The people. And of course, Mrs. Tom asks Jason Gutman. How the hell is Jason Gutman these days, Hank? Um, he had his big comeback video that uh flopped apparently according to flat big comeback video. Another boring ass Main Street we're going to piss off people video. Oh lord. Jason Goodman has not been doing a lot of videos lately, but he has been getting in shape. I saw him he was pretty buff and he was skinny and buff. So, whoever he's doing, I mean, whatever he's doing is paying off. He for his age, late '7s, uh, I mean, 50s, 60s, whatever. We don't actually know his age, but hey, unclean hands. What do you think of Jason Gutman? That's what we're talking about right now. While the court is on a short break, Hank, is Jason Gutman your daddy? I'm not the watchman or whatever is [ __ ] watch goes. Yeah. Okay. Audio has been restored. We may be moving forward. Oh, maybe not. D. Unclean hands says he is a tool and I am 10 times better shape than that child. All right, Mr. Brennan. Sorry, I have just a few more questions. When I had mentioned about meeting the defense investigator on June 5th, 2023, I misspoke. It was June 5th, 2024. Does that sound more like it? Yes. June 5th, 2024. Was that before shortly before you testified before? Yes. You were asked on redirect examination whether any dumpsters got any attention about this case. The question I was asking is did you notice things that might have been open and obvious? And you have no memory of an actual dumpster in the area. Correct. Correct. If I could have on the screen exhibit 37 still photo from that clip. Was there a body in the dumpster? Was turtle boy in the dumpster? Was he on fire in the dumpster? It's a video that I'll stop at certain point. Okay. Exhibit 71. And sir, do you notice the big red dumpster to the right side across from Fair View? Uh, yes. Okay, you can take that down. Sir, when we started the break, I'd asked you some questions. I showed you a document, asked you if you were aware what was inside that document, and you mentioned that was around June 5th, 2023. That was before your last testimony in this case. Yes. And you knew that a person or persons were putting out private pictures of you online? I did notice. And those private pictures, you didn't give anybody permission or want that attention, did you? I did not. In fact, it wasn't just some private pictures. It was pictures taken from a number of different times in your life. Correct. Yes. You never gave anybody permission to do that. I did not. You didn't want people talking about you or asking you questions. That was none of their business, did you? I did not. And it was embarrassing that you were being made this public spectacle when you had done nothing wrong. Correct. Ask it differently. Um, was it embarrassing what they were doing to you? I wouldn't say embarrassing as more as aggravating. In fact, they were calling your boss. Yes. I'm going to allow that. Yes. And you mentioned how hard you work. Yes. Plow. You even deliver peaches to 8 years. Yes. Vamboni. Anytime you work, you try hard, don't you? I do. And when someone's calling your boss, giving undue attention to you, didn't it create some concern that could affect your livelihood? I did not think it was going to affect me in that manner. In addition to dragging you into this because of you, they your brother was dragged into this, wasn't he? Ask it differently. When you were getting this information about what was happening, you learned that they were also dragging your brother into this because of you. Correct. I'll sustain it. You learn that information was coming out about your brother. I knew my brother was dealing with other issues regarding this case. And certainly um you're close with your brother? Yes. care for your brother? Yes. You did not want to upset anybody and have more attention brought on to your brother, did you? I did not. And there was an attempt to link your brother to one of the albums, in fact. Correct. Yes. As well as you. I don't know if I was being linked. I'm Did you know the information trying to so-called out you about the fact that you worked for Chris Albert? I'm going to sustain that the words first. Were you aware when your friends and family were telling you about what was going on about an attempt to draw a relationship between you and the Alex? No. And were you aware when people were telling you what was happening that it was attacks on you personally like finances and things like that? Yes, I was aware of that. And certainly um that is pretty discouraging when that is happening. You've done nothing wrong, isn't it? It was again aggravating and this was all happening before you came in and testified last time I correct. After you testified, things got better. I wouldn't say better. It's gotten a little little more easily manageable. You were no longer being harassed. You were being correct. Yes. Showing you a photograph. Do you recognize that? I do. Is that part of the embracing process after you testified certain way at the last time? It was after I testified. Yes. With redaction introduce a select portion of this. So I I need to see what that is. I'm just sidebar and make this very brief, please. Oh, sidebar. Sidebar number four. Aaron just like an afterthought. Oh, I ought to wander up here. And Turtle Boy is sending daggers across the room at Lucky. He has positioned himself to be directly in Ly's ey line and he is staring completely at the witness. Interesting how that is allowed. So that's next in evidence. Madam cler madam court reporter please. 212 And I just showed you a photograph. Was that a fair and accurate depiction of you after your last testimony? Yes. Reflecting you now being embraced rather than attacked? Yes. Could we show the photo, please, Miss Gilman, with the court permission? Yes. Photo of him and Turtle Boy. And that's you, Mr. Laughlin. Yes, you can take that down, please. Thank you for your time. Just very briefly, sir, if I might go on. Sure. Mr. Laughlin Lan I should say. Uh the questioning about the attention that you received in 2023 when the um when you received secondhand the information from the blogger. Was that before or long after you were interviewed and gave a statement to the defense investigator in February of 2022? It was long after. Nothing further. Thank you. Okay. All right. Mr. Lan, you are all set, sir. Is there another witness? M the defense calls. All right. Do you need to see me before as she's coming in or will that be in a while? Why don't you come on up really quickly? Sidebar number five. Did Phil announce what flavor of these sidebars? Yeah, he did. What were they? I don't remember, but he did announce the flavor on the during the first side by turtle boy is the man in red. We're seeing half of his face right now. Very excited that his name was mentioned or his the blogger was mentioned. Are you sure that's not just a pack of Tic Tacs in his pocket? Well, he's happy to see you regardless. Uh, fact, let's take a look. Uh, this is his latest tweet from the court. As FKR something pointed out, Spanky Brennan has gone fully crusty, posting pictures of Lucky posing with FKR supporters outside of court last year. When someone asks you to take a picture with them and you say yes, this is not nefarious. So that is the type of reporting you are getting from Mr. Aiden Kernney, Turtle Boy. Most people wouldn't take photos with you saw the ev. Yes. Good afternoon, ma'am. Good afternoon. Can you please introduce yourself to the jury and spell both your first name and your last name? Sure. Um, my name is Karina Kakthus. It's K A R I N A. Last name Kakthus. K O L O K I T H A S. That's almost as bad as me. Weird. Sound like she's having to think about how to spell her own name. Where do you live, ma'am? I live in Canton. How long have you lived there? Um, we've lived there for 22 years. Where did you grow up? So I initially grew up in Randolph and then we moved to Brainree and I finished my last three years of um high school and stayed there till I was married. And where did you go to school after high school? So after high school I went to Nor Eastern University. Um I did the pharmacy program there. And what is your profession? I'm a pharmacist. How long have you worked as a pharmacist? So total years is about 30 years as a pharmacist, but I have been at my current job for um about 24 years. Are you married? I am married. Um his name is Nicholas. 30 years as a pharmacist. She does not look old enough. How long have you been married for? 30 years. Do you have children? I have two children. And without giving us their names, can you tell us if you have boys or girls or and what their ages are? So I have two girls. Um, one is 19 and one is 17. Have you raised your children in Canton? Yes, I have. Do your children play sports in or have they played sports in Canton? Um, I have both girls played sports in Canton. One actively is playing sports there and one is in college, so she's not playing sports. Understood. Uh, what sports have your girls played? So they primarily played basketball and um my youngest plays lacrosse as well. From raising your children in Canton and attending their sporting events, I'm assuming. Uh have you met other parents with the children on your daughter's teams? Yes, I have. Specifically, did you come to know Jennifer and Matthew McCabe? Um yes, I have. And is that the way that you came to know them? Correct. Um, typically like that's how we came to become friends with people through the sports. Uh, now prior to January 28th of 2022, how long had you known Jennifer McCabe specifically? Um, I would say about 10 years or so. And during that time, what was the nature of your relationship with Jennifer McCabe? So, we were just friends through the kids. Um, multiple kids did different sports. Um, they played on different sports teams, so we were friends through that. And how often or if at all did you socialize with her and or her husband? Um, so typically sometimes if the kids had playdates, it was mostly my youngest daughter to be honest. Um, so my youngest daughter and one of her daughters were good friends and played on similar sporting teams. Um, so they would have playdates and stuff like that. So, um, sometimes we'd see them after a game or they had a play date or something like that. And I I I'm sorry, it's a little loud with the fan. If the last part of your answer, if I didn't hear it, I'm thinking the jurors might not have heard that. You said uh it was mostly after games. After like sporting, like after playdates or um Yeah, sports and stuff like that. I see. And would there be times where, you know, after a game you go out for pizza, that type of thing? Yeah, like you'd go out for pizza, the girls would be like, "Hey, mom, you know, can I can we have a play date? Can a couple of the girls, you know, come over the house and like, you know, okay, do stuff like that." Uh, prior to January 28th, makes it sound like she's talking about toddlers. So, I knew John O'Keeffe same way. His niece and my younger daughter were good friends, are good friends. Um, so same thing. Um, we knew him through the sports as well. My husband coached his niece in um a couple teams and they also played soccer together. So that's how we knew John. And do you remember how long you would have known him for before January 28th of 2022? I would say about um 9 years or so. And what was the nature of that relationship? Um friendly. Um didn't like go out with him, but we were friends. Like we saw him all the time. uh he would, you know, take my younger daughter with him. Uh I I don't we just saw him all the time. So this person is going to be testifying to statements made by Jennifer McCabe that allegedly implicate her in some sort of cover up. So same thing, met Karen through John. Um, and I believe the first time I met her was uh at Jennifer McCabe's house sometime in 2020. 2020, correct? So, this would have been during the pandemic. Correct. And uh do you see Karen in the courtroom today? I do. Um would you please point her out and describe what she's wearing? She is wearing a blue suit um at the table with her lawyers. Okay. May the record reflect that the witnesses identified Miss Reed. Okay. Now, prior to January 28th of 2022, how often would you have seen or interacted with Karen Reed in any capacity, if you know? So, Karen sometimes would come to watch games of John's knees. So, I would see her there and we just casually talk. And uh what was the nature of your relationship with her prior to January 28th of 2022? We were friendly. All right. Now, directing your attention to January 28th of 2022, do you recall that being a Friday? Correct. What did you do that day? So, that day I worked as a pharmacist. Correct. Do you recall what your hours were? Approximately, I would say, 8 to 4 4:30 that day. What plans did you have after work? So after work, my plans were to go to um the Canton High basketball game to watch my daughter play. And uh what plans came up for before the game that night? So before the game, before I left work, there was a text that went um around saying that some of the parents were going to meet at the Canton Junction before the game and if anybody wanted to stop by and grab a bite to eat. And what is the Canton Junction? So, it used to be like a little pub slashrest in Canton. Which is a conjunction? So, I went home first because um I went home first. I had a bag I had to switch out of because we have to have plastic clear bags at work. So, anyway, so I went home and then after that I stopped at the can junction. Okay. And did you go alone or with someone? So, I went by myself. And when you got there, did you see people that you knew? Correct. So, I walked in and I there was a bunch of parents there um from the varsity teams um the varsity team and excuse me uh was either John O'Keefe or Karen Reed there. They were not there. What about Jennifer McCabe andor Matthew McCabe, her husband? I believe Matthew McCabe was there. I don't believe Jennifer went that to the Canton Junction. Now, how long were you at the Canton Junction for? Um I would say less than an hour. Do you recall about what time it was that you would have been leaving there? I'm not really sure. The game started at 6:30, so before 6:30. All right. Uh, and when you left the Canton Junction, where did you go? I went to um Canton High School to watch the game. And in the gymnasium, um, with whom did you sit to watch your daughter's basketball game? I'm not I'm not sure who I sat with. Um, but it would have been those parents from the varsity team, whoever was there and wherever there was a spot. Was it generally a custom that the parents of all the kids on the team would kind of congregate together in the stands? Correct. Uh, do you recall what time the basketball game ended? Believe the game ended around 8:30. Where did you go after the basketball game? So after the game ended, um I went down and waited on the court for my daughter to come out of the locker room, greeted her, um the the players, and then I said to everybody, "I'm going home." Okay. And you did go home, correct? I went home after the game. And having now made it home, what were your plans that night? So my plans were to stay home. I was tired. I worked all day. um watched the game. I was pretty much done with the day. So, my plans were to stay home. At some point, did those plans wind up changing? So, then I started getting um text messages from my husband saying, "You should come out. We're going to go to the waterfall." Um and I said, "No, I'm not coming." And what is the waterfall? So that's a um a a restaurant that has a bar and it's on um in Canton on Washington Street. Okay. So you've now told you've given your your husband the stiff arms. So right you're not going. Not going. So what happens? So then he keeps on texting me. He's like, "I'm at the waterfall. I gave your husband. Um you should really come. It's fun. There's a band." And I was like, "Really? Like I don't want to go." And then my kids got involved with conversation. And how did that affect your decision? So they started saying to me, "Mom, you never go out. You never do anything. You know, dad's by himself. Just go keep him company while he eats." So I reluctantly went. All right. So you were guilted into it. Guilted 100% into it. All right. So where did you go? So then I went to the waterfall. Do you recall about what time it was that you got to the Waterfall Bar and Grill? I believe I got there approximately 9:30 or so. And when you first arrived there, who was there, if anyone, that you recognized? So, my husband was there and then I recognized um Jennifer and Matt McCabe. And what happened after you got there? So, um after I got there, I I walked in and I said to my husband, I'm like, "Where is everybody from the basketball team?" And he said, "I don't know. They all sort of split up." He said, "Don't worry. Um just hang out here. I'm going to I already ordered a sandwich, so just hang out with me while I eat and then we'll go. And uh were you introduced to anyone? Yeah. So then Jennifer um McCabe started introducing me to all her family um and um you know so I got to meet all like a lot of them. It was it was fun. It was a good time. And do you recall specifically who you met? So, um I think I'm I I believe I met Well, she sort of just like, you know, introduced me to whoever was at the table. So, um I I'm not sure 100%, but just like the niece, um her sister, her brother-in-law, like people like that. All right. The Albert family, correct? And when you're being introduced to a bunch of people at once, it can be tough to keep everybody's name straight at the time, right? It's kind of overwhelming. It was a there was a lot of Jen's family. Now, what were you drinking that night? So, um, that night I drank water. And the whole time you were at the waterfall, did you drink anything else except for water? I only drank water that night. Now, was there a point when you were going to leave the waterfall before they closed up for the night? I'm sorry. Can you repeat that? Sure. Um, you wound up leaving at a certain time, correct? I never left. Well, you left because you're in court today. You're not still at the waterfall. Okay. Correct. So, what I'm trying to get at is at some point you left the waterfall, but was there a point before that where you were planning to go? Correct. Tell us about that. So, my husband had eaten and I said, "You know what? I think I'm going to get going and um I was about to get going and then um John and Karen walked in." Okay. And when you say John and Karen, you're referring to John O'Keefe and Karen Reed. And why did that change your plans? I was excited to see them. Um, I liked Karen, so as soon as I saw her walk in, I was like, "Hey, I'm I'm going to stay. I want to talk to her." And uh, what did you notice about uh, John O'Keefe's mood when he arrived? One person on dinner with Karen Reed. His niece had just gotten into uh, a private school called Bishop Fen. And that was like the first thing he was talking about. He was elated that she got in and he was telling everybody about that. Uh and thereafter, how much interaction did you have with uh John andor Karen? Karen and I probably spent the entire night talking um maybe give or you know like give or take some time that we didn't but the majority of the time Karen and I were speaking together. Uh and if you had to estimate how long a conversation did you have with Karen? Uh maybe in an like 40 50 minutes out of the like if if we spent like an hour together perhaps we spoke 50 minutes of those out of that hour. Without telling us the content of the conversation, what was the subject matter if you remember? So Karen um was also she mentioned being excited about Kaye um getting into Bishop Fian um and well when I first saw her, she first started talking about my daughter. So I I saw her, she came in, she greeted me, and when we did start talking, she just started talking about my daughter and how much she really loved my daughter's relationship with John's niece. Okay. And while you were having this conversation with uh with Karen, um was it an easy conversation back and forth? Very easy. Where were you located within the waterfall while you were having this conversation? We were at a high I don't remember where we were. We were talking. We were sitting down talking at a table. And how close did you get to her when you were speaking with her? In order to to get in order for someone to hear you because of the band being so loud, we were probably a couple feet from each other. And in what direction were you facing when you were speaking to her? Rebecca, they are just leading up to you sharing the text message or whatever it is that I don't remember like if she was to me at this point. We She could have been next to me at this point. All right. And your face would have been facing where? They're also going to try to to say she didn't smell alcoh we were face to face. There you go. All right. So, in other words, Karen was also facing you when she was talking to you. Correct. Um, did you notice what Karen was drinking? So, she was drinking a a drink out of it was a clear liquid out of a clear glass, and I assumed it to be alcohol of some sort, but I was not I'm not sure. And, uh, while you were talking with her, um, can you describe was the conversation coherent? Very coherent. Was she making sense? She was. Was she engaged in the conversation? She was. And uh did you make any observations regarding her sobriety? She seemed fine to me. And you're a pharmacist, correct? I am a pharmacist. And you were that night? I was that night. Um how interaction did you see that Karen had with John O'Keefe? They they had some interaction. And uh was there one specific interaction that stands out in your mind then and today? Um and I'm talking about a physical interaction when they well they they hugged at one point. Okay. And did John come over to Karen at one point and do something? He did. What did he do? Um, so John went over to Karen and he gave her a kiss on the forehead. Okay. And that kiss on the forehead, why did that stand out to you? So, honestly, I'd never seen something like that before, a boyfriend due to a girlfriend in public. Never saw that. So, I it just stood out to me. I was like, "Wow, that's the sweetest thing I've ever seen." Um, can we queue up uh exhibit 22? Mr. will um like to go to approximately 11:36 and 41 seconds. And if we can uh well, first of all, do you have you seen that video before me? I have. Uh do you recognize what exhibit 22 depicts? It shows the waterfall. And is that consistent with what it looked like when you were there that night? Correct. And you've previously identified that as being a fair and accurate video of that night. I do. Um, if we could zoom in. Well, first of all, again, let me try and lay a foundation. Uh, where would you be if you recall uh at the waterfall within that video? To the right, to the left. I'm in the right in a black top um sitting on a chair. Okay. Could we zoom in on that area, Mr. Okay, we've zoomed in. Do you see yourself? I do. And where are you seated? So, there's a white jacket on the back of a chair. That's me. And do you see anybody else in that video that you now recognize? Um the I see um Brian Higgins. Okay. And when you say Brian Higgins, is that somebody that you had known prior to that night? I did not know Brian. Uh he was one of the people you were introduced to. Correct. And you since have learned uh put the face to the body or the I'm sorry, I should say the name to the body or the name to the face. Correct. All right. And where do you see Brian Higgins? He has like a emblem an emblem on the back of like a sweatshirt. All right. So his back is to the camera. Correct. And uh we have not rotated that pointer. Thank you, sir. Yes. Now, if you can, ma'am, would you please use that pointer to show where you are first? That's me. Okay. And Brian Higgins, that's him. All right. Do you recognize anybody else? Not right now. Okay. Uh, if we could start to play it, Mr. W. and and stop for a second. Um, I would ask you as soon as you recognize somebody else, if you'd uh speak up and tell us to stop and we'll pause. Okay. So, right there um is Karen's head. Okay. Is that the back of Karen's head or correct? So, that's the back of her head. All right. You're by, by the way, just so the record's clear, over Mr. Higgin's shoulder, there appears to be a face looking forward uh on the right shoulder. You see that, right? Correct. You're not referring to that. You're looking referring to the the long hair that's in back of that face. Yes. Can I could I point to it again? Okay. So, I'm referring to that head right there. Understood. Okay. And I think you had said something else. And then that right there um is John O'Keefe with the hat. Okay. There's a ball cap. Correct. And on the video as we're looking at it, it's to the right up the top. It's to the right of the PM uh Chiron there screen. Correct. Sorry. If we could continue to play. Stop. What do you see? So I see John giving Karen a kiss on the forehead. Is that what you saw that night? I did. I was looking right at them when it happened. You were facing them there. And uh what about Mr. Higgins? Where was he facing? It appears that he's facing them as well. That happened right in front. You've ever seen in your entire life? That's what it looks like. If we could play for I think the sweetest thing I've ever seen was your meat. Oh, your fresh brisket. Brisket, I'm pick right. Sweetest thing I've ever seen in my life. Or sweetest fish. Now, that night, did you have any information about the nature of Karen Reed's previous interactions with Brian Higgins? None whatsoever. Okay. How long did you stay at the waterfall or if you recall about what time you got ready to leave? I believe things wrapped up around midnight. And with whom were you leaving around midnight? So my husband and Matt McCabe stayed behind. They were helping the band um clean up and stuff. So, it was myself, Jennifer McCabe, and Karen Reed that walked out together. Okay. And you have you've previously seen uh video footage of the end of the night with yourself, Karen, and Jennifer McCabe sort of in a grouping. Correct. Um and excuse me, I'm sorry that I just need to clear my throat. I hope that's the last time. That's okay. Uh, did you see on that same video at the same time there's a grouping in another area of the bar at the same time? Correct. And do you recall who was in that grouping? I believe it was Chris Albert, Brian Albert, and Brian Higgins. Okay. Could we now uh publish again exhibit uh 22? And I'm going I'd like from the approximate start time of 11:57 and 42 seconds. And if we could hit play, Mr. Wolf. Oh, I'll tell you what. Stop it for a sec. Thank you. Um could you zoom in please on the right portion of that video? The upper right. We'll start with that. Okay. Um so this is the start of this uh clip. Uh it looks to be 1157 and 38. Uh do you see anybody in that clip that you recognize? Yes. So um I am the person with the jacket with the fur around the hood and Karen Reed is the other woman that I'm talking to. We could play that. Mr. W. So she's a furry. And right now, do you rec some recognize anybody else in the background of that? Uh, so to the right in the plaid um shirt is my husband, Nicholas. Okay. What about over your left shoulder? So over my left shoulder is um John O'Keefe. And does that appear to be his back? Correct. Okay. Can you play? And he was in uh stop for a second. He he was uh in your line of vision at that point. Correct. Correct. What do you What does he appear to be doing? He appears to be um like paying a tab or something like that or maybe getting a drink. I'm not sure. Okay. And do you see him looking in a particular direction right now? Um he looks um to be looking over his left. Continue to play. Oh. If we could pause for a second, I neglected to ask you to point out with the pointer. We We have it now. We might as well use it. Um, if you could uh point to yourself first. Okay. So, that's me. All right. Karen. That's Karen and John O'Keefe. That's John. Okay. Continue to play. Mr. Wolf. Stop. If back up just a sec. Oh. Oh, I'll tell you when to stop. Yeah. Play. Stop. Okay. Uh, do you see what direction he's uh John O'Keefe is facing now? He's looking to the left. Okay. Keep going. Keep going. Stop. What direction is he facing now? To the left. And what is over to the left? I believe that's where the other group of men are located perhaps. Okay. Key point. And I'd like to run this to 115825. Stop. Um, this point at this point his whole body is turned to the left. Correct. Correct. And he appears to be facing where the other group of men were. I'm sorry. Repeat that. He appears to be facing in the direction of where the other group of men were. Correct. Continue to play all through until 11:58. Okay, that's perfect. Now, uh, keeping the video up, I'd like to now scroll over to the left side of the screen, and we're going to start that at 11:5742, the same approximate time we started the previous discussion. Stop. Okay. Uh, you've previously described the other three men. Uh, are you able to identify them on this video now in this still uh still frame clip? I believe I am able. Uh, and who do you see? I see um Chris Albert, um, Brian Higgins, and Brian Albert. And which one is which? Um, Chris Albert is the one that grabbed Brian Higgins arm and Brian Albert is with his back towards us. Okay. Now, I'll ask you to use the pointer and point to Chris Albert, please. That's Chris Albert on the right. Where's Brian Higgins? That's Brian Higgins in the middle. Yeah, in the middle. And that's um Brian Albert. Okay. I believe. With regard to Brian Higgins, which which direction is he facing? He's facing um the left. He's facing to the left. I mean, I'm sorry. He's facing to the right. Okay. And the direction that he's facing in, who's over there? Sustained. What is over there? Is that the the direction of the bar? Sustained. Okay. Um continue to play, please. Stop. Um, did you see he grabbed his arm a second time? Correct. And Brian Higgins is facing in which direction this time? He's facing the bar area. Continue to play, please. Okay. Um, you noticed uh some motion that Brian Higgins made. Back it up for a second, Mr. Wolf, please. Stop. Did you see a motion that he put his um left arm up? Okay. Uh appeared to be summoning somebody. Yeah. Um, continue to play. I'm sorry. You are continue to play. I'll I'll bear that in mind. Okay, we can stop there. Um, Miss Kithus, did you see how many times Brian Higgins motioned with his arm? Sustained Com versus Mr. Understood. Understood. Now, [Applause] um, prior to this night, had you known or been aware of Chris Albert? Um, just knew him from seeing him at um, DNA Pizza. Okay. And you say you've seen him at D& Pizza in what capacity? I think he's the owner there at DNA Pizza and we've gotten pizza there before. And you'd been in that establishment before. Correct. And with regard to Brian Albert, have you had any interaction with him either that night or before? So that night I was introduced to him and I think I even spoke to him a little bit there. Um, and then maybe saw him like a basketball game. I I don't remember him really prior to that night. Okay. Now, I'd like to uh play the portion of the video where you are then leaving and ask you some questions about that. Uh yes, I think we can zoom out and um perhaps hit play, Mr. Woke at this point and pause for a sec. if you could use the pointer and just point out again where you are at this point. Um, that is me. All right. And do you see are you able to see Karen at that point? She's be she's right there. Okay. And what about Jen McCabe? Are you able to see her at that point? Um, I'm not sure. Okay. All right. Continue to play, please, and stop for a sec. I I should have asked you if you do see Jennifer McCabe enter the picture, could you alert us? Okay, continue to play. Okay. Um, when you you can turn the lights back on. when you were leaving the establishment, whom did you leave with? So again, it was um myself, Jennifer McCabe, and Karen? Did anything unusual occur when you were leaving? So, as we were leaving, um, Jen went over to Karen, kind of put her arm around her, and she's like, she started saying, "You're coming with me. You're coming with me." And Karen's like, "Huh?" Like, "What? What? Like, where are we going?" And I'm going to sustain the objection. Um, the first part of that answer, the putting your arm around her, you're coming with me. Why did that stand out in your memory? um just cuz I was there too and it just was strange. It just it was just like you're coming with me like it was just something that stood out to me. You weren't included. I mean no it's fine. I mean it was just stood out you know. Yeah. Uh did Karen go with Jennifer Cable? Um no she did not. What did you see her do? So then out of the clear blue, thinking that Karen was gonna go with Jen, I see Karen with John. And where did you see Karen with John? I saw them just um as we were I was parked ac across Washington Street um across from the um from the restaurant and I just saw Karen and John like walking down towards what used to be Amber Road um a place. It used to be Amber Road. It used to be Amber Road. Yeah. Is that a Amber Road Cafe? Correct. It was like a rest. It was like a little cafe shop. And did you did you figure out why they were walking in that direction? Um, that's where I think Karen had parked her car. Um, did you have any concerns about Karen being able to drive that night? I had talked to her all night and I did not notice anything strange about her. Like I didn't think anything of it. And once you parted ways, where did you go? I I started I went in my car. And what was your last image of seeing Karen and John that night? It was just them walking towards the car. If I may have a moment, you want to Okay. [Applause] questions. Thank you so much. Okay. All right. Mr. Brennan, good afternoon. Good afternoon. The point of this witness other than Karen was your last image drunk. Karen and John, both of them walking to the car and Karen walking to the driver side door of that car because if she wasn't then she didn't hit him that night. It was a celebratory mood. Correct. Everybody was getting along fine. Yes, we were. Yes. You were speaking to the defendant for some time most of the time. Correct. You saw her points hugging Jen McCabe. Correct. Uh, you knew John? I did. He was a kind man. Very kind. Generous. Very generous. Thoughtful. Very thoughtful. Soft-spoken. Yes. That night was particularly different. He was extraordinarily proud and happy, wasn't he? Yes, he was. And you could see him emote about his accomplishment that his daughter got into private school. Correct. Did you talk to John that night? I did no further questions. All right, Miss Kolakus, you are also why don't I see counsel regarding scheduling. Sorry. Yeah, she was originally I was build as she was supposed to testify about some sort of text messaging from Jen McCabe if I'm not mistaken. I could be mistaken, but uh apparently that didn't. So I guess they're working through what would have been lunch. at age 15. Well, lunch usually starts about 20 minutes. Get out of the chair. So, I'm going to talk to the lawyers about scheduling. Um, I'm actually going to send you back to the room and bring you back. We will definitely be out of here by 1:00. So, a short um just I'll just go back in 10 minutes and we'll bring you right back. All eyes for the court, please. So, we've got a 10 minute break allegedly, but let's see if they actually come back before and I did not. Okay, I had to do a work issue. So, what happened with Lucky? Nothing really. They came back and nothing happened. They finished the cross examination. Uh, that was it. Okay. I was really I was really si surprised that they didn't uh bring out more of his lies, his inaccuracies. Yeah. untruthful statements. So, nothing really happened after that. Uh, excuse me. Makes me really wonder what was the whole hubbhub. Did Did uh uselessly actually win the with this tantrum? Get something though. Lucky did more damage to their case than good. He couldn't remember the dumpster. That was a huge dumpster across the street in parallel to where John's body was found. But there wasn't news or there wasn't news about a dumpster for a year and a half later, right? But if he was scanning the front yards, why did he miss the giant dumpster? Yes. And is he only remembering a body because it was on the news? He didn't remember a body, remember? He doesn't remember. Well, is he? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is he Is he remembering not seeing a body there only because of the news, right? Because he didn't see the doctor and he didn't see the body. So, how well could he see basically? Okay. And they reported to work at 2:30. Right. Right. Had to do his walk around around the vehicle. um load his snacks into the vehicle. Of course. How many snacks do you have that it takes time out of your schedule to load your snacks? Well, he's a big guy. Yeah. But um if I was taking a road trip uh and going to have some snacks and drinks to have for that road trip, I'm not loading something special into the car. I'm loading it in the car as I get in the car. But we know that when Pope Phil goes on a road trip, he has both an oven and a refrigerator in the back seat. Well, that just came with the Pope mobile. So, you know, yes, just part of the, you know, perks of being cold. And even even when I would taken longer road trips during the summer and would take a cooler with me, that cooler was getting loaded in the vehicle about the same time I was loading Chief in. wasn't I wasn't having to take special time to just sounds weird to me. Yeah. And the way he tried to hide it as not being snacks is loading supplies. Now, did they uh show him a picture of the dumpster that he didn't see? Yes. Okay. I thought that's where that was going. I thought that's where that was going. Yeah. It's really really really really hard to miss that dumpster. Yeah. Right. But but but he didn't see a body for sure. Did not see a body. And and he didn't he didn't uh go back and forth to be checking out what's going on with the police. Never ever ever ever never. Although Although they showed him what, six or seven times on the video where he went by within an hour. Yeah. And I have a hard time to believe that he could do he could uh plow his entire route in an in 10 minutes, right? Hour, but not 10 minutes. And then he said he didn't see. No, no, no, no. Sorry, cats all over my Yeah. Yeah. One cat jumped on the other cat on my desk, forcing her into my microphone. Thankfully, you didn't hear that, but uh All righty then. Uh yeah. Uh, I found it I found it quite interesting that uh um according to the notes from the original officer that took his com his statement that the edge was on a different street, right? Yeah, that stood out pretty well. And there was no sign of an edge when they pulled in. When the uh Yeah. Yeah. Uh because they came up in their Ford escape when the when the cruiser came in. There was nothing. There was no sign of another vehicle on this in front of the house. Well, also remember that they had to have two meetings to show him what a Ford Edge looked like. Yeah, that's what the parking lot meetings were for were was Lucky having to point out Ford edges to show that he knew what they look like. I The only reason I can see why they would be doing that is because they believed he was full of [ __ ] Right. Right. Well, his full his full uh testimony he was those were not the words he normally uses. Those were the words he memorized. It was clear he was trying to recite what he had memorized to say. Yeah. It was sort of like the beginning of the Godfather where the really dumb guy is trying to memorize his speech. Yeah. Right. And he he he can't do it. And have you ever referred to as a police officer as a first responder without some special circumstance behind using the words first responder? Uh I have in the paper as that's the Texas law uh where you can ask someone to back up 25 ft. I I've respond I I've grouped them in with first responders as that is how they are grouped in. Yes. Which that would be that would be under a a specific circumstance. Yeah. Because they are grouped in under the law that way as first responders. I I don't similar for the law that I referred to. Sorry. Yeah. I just don't see anybody referring to police as first responders in general conversation, right? Let alone witness testimony. And we're at an extended sidebar, folks. Uh they're going to break. I thought they were on break. No, the jury's on a break, but they're on a sidebar for scheduling issues. So, no one's been see the the how everyone's still sitting there, including uh the the media guy. No one's been dis uh no one's been put on break yet. About a month ago or so, we had some lights in our neighborhood at night. And so I went out and I Yeah. went down the street. There was an ambulance in front of one of my neighbors houses. I come home and my wife says, "What's going on?" You know what I didn't say? First respond responders are over at the neighbors, right? Yeah, them damn cops were out there again. What'd you do? What' you do? Were you flashing the neighbors again? Oh, maybe one of the one of the organizations I belong to, they would have an annual first responders awards and that was one award. They would have the police officer of the year, the um paramedic EMT of the year, and firefighter of the year. That's about the I mean, I would group them in as first responders for that, but it's not just sounds fishy that they would use that. Yeah, it's it's not normal vocabulary. I'd say that parlings. Yes. And Uh if he's Go ahead. Um yeah, memorizing the times which changed depending on when he was given his statements. I I don't think he would have a reference to the times other than okay, he knows he started he started his route. say he started his route right at 2:30, right? So he would know, okay, it would take me approximately 15 minutes to get to that section of the route. So, okay, I my first round there was approximately 2:45, but beyond that, I how I I don't see him being accurate with his time because he wasn't having to do things by time, right? And looks like we're coming back. Rump. Maybe not. Let's see. Oh, they've come back. It's just Are they done? Yeah. Well, they're supposed to be They've got 10 minutes left to Did you uh Did you Did you mute things? No, this is Nothing's going on. See? Uh sorry. There is. See, it's not muted. Okay. I I was just wondering because not like it hasn't happened before. Sometimes they see now it's picking up as the jury comes in. Sometimes there are just quiet moments. If they have the sound going, you're going to hear there's the court has never been silent. There's always a little background noise going on. is back in session. Please be seated. All right, jurors. I just realized that I probably made you go downstairs and up twice to just come back shortly. Um I'm sorry. Sorry I inconvenienced you that way, but we were able to talk. I am assured not getting your steps in on schedule. We are ahead of schedule. Um, I understand tomorrow is supposed to be very hot. Court officers are concerned about how we're going to keep the fans and air conditioners going and be allowed to hear the witnesses. Um, I've talked to the lawyers. Everybody's in agreement that because we're ahead of schedule, we give you tomorrow off. All right. So, we won't be in session tomorrow. We will be in session Friday all day. So, those same reminders, please do not discuss this case with anyone. don't do any independent research or investigation into this case. If you happen to see, hear and read anything about this case, please disregard it and let us know and be careful with your social media use. We'll see you on Friday. All right. Oh, shucks. Darn. We don't have to come to court tomorrow. A let uncle finish up here a minute. Okay. Well, folks, uh the jury is wrapping up here and yeah, I've got a crying child. So, please be seated. Is there anything anybody needs to raise with me at this point? No, you're honor. Okay, there is one outstanding motion for reconsideration. It's denied. Okay, I just saw that that was the one that was still outstanding. Okay, thank you all. We'll see you Friday morning. Okay, folks. We're going to get out of here. Uh I'm going to go take care of the crying child. So, there it is again. We're back at 8 o'clock tonight uh with our normal show and then we'll be back with you on Friday. So, thank you for being with us and we'll see you again on the flip side. Goodbye everybody. [Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] [Applause] [Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] Heat. [Laughter]