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POLICE BODY CAMS SHOW EMPLOYEES LYING ABOUT ME TO THEM!!!! SAN FRANCISCO FIRST AMENDMENT

For asking for ID, okay, cuz you were detained. And I'm asking why. You were you were on in an unauthorized area. Actually, I wasn't and I have it on video. >> You were walking behind I did not walk behind So, this is public or this is only for employees? Only for employees. Only for employees and he went up this elevator with an employee? He was trying to get inside. Came in through the directions they were supposed to be. >> Yeah, he came in back here, but in the other thing is is he made our our place just feel uncomfortable again because they are protecting Chris Land information. What's going on, Bay Area fam? It's your boy, Bay Area Transparency, man. We're going to make this intro short and quick. This is the San Francisco Permit Center that we went to. We already dropped this video. We're not going to go over the whole video again, but we got the body cameras from the officers that showed up. So, we're going to show some of these conversations that were had when we weren't around that are had on body cam and we get to see these employees lying again. It never fails. It seems like it's contagious with public employees. They just lie and lie and lie. And we're also going to introduce some of our new friends, man, that went ahead and hired me to go ahead and talk about their business. You're going to want to see it because I think they can get you some money, baby. Let's just go ahead and get into it, baby. BAT, I'M OUT. YOU'RE HOT. Are you 27? Yeah, I got detailed here, so I just Hey, how's it going? Did anybody call? You guys called or Oh, yes, we did. Over here. I was upstairs. Oh, so All right. Hey. Uh there was a gentleman here on the second floor. Do you guys know what he was doing right now? Yes. So, he's video recording and he just went to our security cameras behind the desk Yeah. and recorded it and then he took pictures of the cameras. Whatever he does here in the open is fine. He should not have done that. Yeah. I'll go behind the counter. >> Behind the counter there's security cameras with us like They got a ton of cameras for the whole thing. It's crazy. So, you can't film the security cameras. >> Yeah, security is not there to film himself. >> You cannot film the security cameras. Okay, see. So, that's a >> I'm sorry. This is the restricted area. No, this is not a Everybody's yelling at me. I can't listen to all you guys at one time. All right, you cannot film in this area. You cannot [laughter] You can request the public area. You can film but you cannot >> See the cameras. Yeah. That's wrong. Why why is that? >> Because this is security area and this is That's the security area. That's not a public area. Everybody's yelling again. We requested Can one person talk at a time? Behind the counter there's the security cameras with us like The whole building is set up. I understand. And he did it down here? So, he did it right down here. I'll show you down here. Right now he's upstairs. Okay. One yellow 2797. Looking out my office for now. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Um and you said he's on the second floor, right? He's on the second floor. Yeah. Dude. What do you guys want to You guys want to Is he still okay in the building or is he He's okay in the public area. He should not have recorded this. >> Okay, okay. Uh but this is like a I mean the whole building you can see. >> Okay, we'll talk to him now. If he can delete Huh? We'll just contact Ronald and Yeah. You guys don't want him out of the building though. Management does not want him out. Uh we want As long as he follows the rules and doesn't come back here. Okay. Okay. So, he's arguing that I would go where the public is going. It is not Yeah, public is fine but So, he's going behind the security cameras and recording everything and Okay. All right. All right, let me know what the hat. Yeah. Okay. It's probably one of the auditors. I just want to say One of the first amendment auditors probably. You got yours? Yeah, I'm on. Hey, how's it going? Sheriff's office. All right, how about you? Okay. Hey, you guys want Well, we just got a call that you're recording right now, but we just got a call regarding going behind the desk and recording some of the security cameras. Oh, awesome. Uh you really are not supposed to do. Oh, really? Yeah. Why is that? I didn't know that. Well, there's some secure areas that you're not supposed to have access to and if you go behind and actually look at the security cameras, then you're accessing those areas visually. And also, if you're recording it, then you're recording it onto your device as well. Right now, when we talked to them initially, all they said for now is that you're still allowed to move into the public areas where we are, but for our safety here, we just want to check and see who you are and what you're doing here right now. If you just give us that information, do you have any ID or anything like that? Yeah, I didn't know anything about that. It's okay. Yeah. So, you're saying you can't go back behind desk? >> Yes, there's secure areas where you're not supposed to go and that's one of them. You're allowed in public areas to video or do what you're doing right now, which is fine. But right now, because you did that, we'd like to see your ID so we can know who you are. I'll make contact with one on the second floor. So, do I have to show you my ID or Yeah, cuz I'm We actually got a call that there's something There's a security concern, so we So, I have to show you my ID under the law. Do you know what law that is? What law that is? Yeah, I'm asking. I don't know much about how it so I'm just that part I don't know much about it. So you walked behind an an authorized area, okay? Which is a place where you're not supposed to be. We have multiple security guards who have advised us that they've been tracking you. And they actually pointed you out. >> Positively identified you as the individual who was behind the desk filming the video camera monitors. Awesome. But But you didn't see You didn't see You're going based off what you >> No, yes, they pointed you out. So >> it as if it's a fact or definitive. >> No, no, they pointed you out. Well, I'm saying did you see it? Right? Cuz what he just said is you did this, and so this is what we're doing. And so I'm asking, did you see that? That's That was the question. Just to clarify what the deputy just said. Uh-huh. Multiple security guards have identified you through the video recordings and also positively identified you through your actions right now as the individual who went behind the security desk and videotaped the security cameras. Got you. At that point, that's where we have an ability to ask you for your ID right now and to determine what your business is here. So is it >> Cuz you accessed an unauthorized area of the building. Got you. So is it So is it like a uh like a suspicion of a crime or something? Is that what you're saying it is or >> Yes. Uh I see I don't I'm just asking questions. I don't know too much about how it works, so that's why I'm asking. >> Yes. So what crime would it be? Well, given the heightened concern for safety in public areas, when an individual goes behind the desk, that's an unauthorized area, and accesses security camera footage, and takes a picture of all those things, that's suspicious activity to us. So that's why we come to you and ask you. And I'm asking for your ID right now because that gives us the reason for contacting you and finding out what your business is here. Well, I mean, I guess technically you don't even need a reason to contact somebody, right? You just walk up them, it's like are you That's a consensual contact. Yes. That's exactly >> Oh, so this is not a consensual encounter then? Well, at this point because there was suspicious behavior, we're asking for additional information from you to know what you're doing here and everything else. And what suspicion What suspicious behavior was it? Or suspicion of what? So, we're concerned about making sure that people in public stations are safe and secure. Got you. So, when an individual circumvents security and goes about behind a security desk and takes video recordings of the security cameras, that's a concern to us. And and and you know I went behind that desk how? Uh as I stated before, multiple security guards advised us that that was your actions prior to us coming to this station and looking for you. Interesting. So, I I actually they said I actually went behind past the thing and Yes. Yes. And who said I told you that? Yes, sir. You were. Yes, you I was? You were? I was I walked behind it and I was filming. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, look. So, are you are you saying you're not cooperating with us? I think I've been cooperating with you. >> Okay. Okay, yes you have. So, we're asking for ID, okay? Cuz you are detained. And I'm asking you >> you were you were on in an authorized area. Actually, I wasn't and I have it on tape. >> You were walking behind I did not walk behind. I was on the outside and I can see just like I can see these computers, I can stand on the outside. So, you're So, you're saying you're telling me that you were on the side outside and never went behind Is that something that you can show us? I don't need to show you. Uh What do you What do you What do you need What do you need an ID for? Okay, then. You guys are So, right now you're just detained and we'll verify it. Detained for what crime? So, you're identified to be behind the desk filming the cameras, which is an un- the staff employees anything I can see in a public place. Not illegal. Not Not if you walk behind for an area where the staff is only allowed. >> I'm film. I still have a First Amendment right. You can film you're on the side. >> I can't be in that area and they say, "Hey, can you get out?" Which I didn't go into the area, but if they say, "Hey, can you move out of that area?" And I move, there's still no crime. >> So, we'll verify that. >> So, you'll just identify >> sign that says you can't pass this, don't pass it, and you have to know. >> That's fine. So, yeah, that's like I said, that's okay. You're just walking behind, on the side like right here, and you're filming, and then you see the camera. Yeah, yeah. But what they were saying is you walked behind them. >> Well, what's your name and badge number by the It's Deputy Woo, [clears throat] star number 2332. Okay. So, So, just right now you're just detained. Well, I'm an elected official. I'm the Sheriff of San Francisco. It's not really a law, just Huh? >> [laughter] >> But okay, so they Was he on the side here? Yeah, he was right there. He was just on the side. Okay. And he has like a active camera. He didn't walk behind you, right? So, like the thing is it's hard because like right here he's in a public space. Anybody can see it. Yeah. But not recording. Did you have any Those are appointments for tomorrow or today. Appointments for >> For people who are visiting the building and Okay. Is there any signs that we see >> Yeah, the sign says our city ID must be visible and So, this is public or this is only This is for employees only. Employees only. Employees only. And he went up this elevator with an employee? He tried to get inside to go upstairs. >> With an employee? Yeah, with an employee. >> the area he's right now is the employees only? Only second floor is safe. This Is to the public? For employees only. Okay. Second floor where he is right now is open for public. It's open for public. >> But this area is not. That's why we check IDs with the security check. So, he went Oh, past this right here. He had a recording device looking on what happened to your screen. Yeah. Yeah, he was recording. But he didn't walk behind you guys. No, he was right here. Okay, when he was recording did he was he So he was just standing right here. >> standing right here. Like like to this area. Yeah. He was standing behind there? Yeah. And like like he was recording like this this direction. Let me stop immediately and he recorded it all. He said I would do that I am allowed to do it because we are in a public area. I said this is in a public area. I showed to this one this guy this area it's okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Uh where is the public elevator here? Yeah, only employees. Yeah, this one here. And but he used the employee >> only employees. Only employees. Yep. Okay. Okay. Those two sections are only employees only. But he's okay to be up there right now. No issues. As long as he is As long as he's not disturbing our transactions or recording any open transactions or Okay. or covering anybody's plans. If the management of the building tells you to leave Yeah. No, hold on a second. If the management of the building wants you to leave then you can ask him to leave. Does that I have any right? No, it's not. It's public property. 6020 is very clear about public property. >> So he was just on the side um but the only issue was that you passed an area where it was required for employee IDs only. And you used the employee elevator that they had must have All it says is employees must have your badge. >> Did you have a badge? Is that something Employees must have your badge. It doesn't say authorized person or anything like that. When they pointed it out I went ahead and popped a badge on. Russell? Yeah. So I'm like they don't want anything done. So he's fine as long No, let's go tell him to try to do something. I would So right now They don't want anything done you're fine here, okay? I'll be here too. But the issue is you're going behind filming appointments, filming like you know cameras in a place where they have signs where they say you can't access unless you're a staff employee, okay? >> That's not what that sign says. It it says it. We can go down and we can look at it, okay? And you can explain to me how you interpret it. How about that? I don't I don't I don't I don't need to. No? And the whole point is is when they pointed it out >> Yeah. I walked right out of it. Okay. >> Right? Because 602 is clear. You have to give be given asked to leave and be given a chance to leave. This dude who's your sheriff, no offense, just said that you guys can If they want to trespass, you guys can trespass me from public property. Yeah, like I said, you can't Yeah, that Yeah. Go look up when you you just to educate yourself. Go look up 602 L. It's very clear. You can't Well, that's something that we did. I verified it. And you can't trespass somebody because they're exercising constitutional rights. It just does not work that I don't know how he became sheriff. We need a new sheriff. So. In public buildings, there are still building rules, okay? And And that's not like, okay, it's an open to public, everybody can do what they want to do, right? Can you agree that there's rules? You can't come in and break the law. I understand, but can you agree there's still rules in the in the building, even if it's open to the public? So So, I can agree there is rules and policies. Most policies are for employees. Yeah. I don't have to listen to policies. I only have to listen to law. Okay. >> So, if a policy that they have also violates a law and I'm doing it, then yeah, there would be an issue there. >> Okay. Would you say there's local municipal codes possibly that are rules that people that are for the public in general? Well, of course, every Every where has ordinances and municipal codes, right? Yeah, I think it is it is for uh So, I can give you a little more information to you so that we're clear on everything. Uh I would advise that you went back to that area. So, let me take this moment to make it a teachable moment for you, too. Because of the work that they do here, this is the permit center. There's confidential information on the application form. That's the reason why that sign right there says, "Please wait behind this point until someone can So, there is signage that clearly shows that there are certain areas that are only accessible with people who do business with. You can just go to the administrative director or one of the management staff here. And they told me that you went back there. Is it a strong Is that something you can So He was just He's the person I ordered. Originally he was downstairs where the security was and then he went to some employee only access elevators. Um but they were upset cuz he was in the video recording the cameras that had surveillance and all that. But they don't want nothing done as long as he doesn't cause a disturbance in this building. He can continue to go into like even areas where he's not He's not allowed to. So they said he's he's okay up here. Um I guess he's He was doing so He's saying he went back here, but I I'm going to ask him if he wants anything done. Yeah, yeah. Uh no, no. I was downstairs. So this is a different one, yeah. So I guess he did something up here, too, as well. So let me just Because he crossed a threshold he wasn't supposed to. Yeah, he went through there. One of the elevators was like employee must have a badge ID on them. So Uh-huh. Okay, Bay Fam. Let's go ahead and pay attention to that sign. Nowhere on that sign does it say authorized personnel you can't go past that area. It literally says we can go past that area. It's clearly a public area. It just says wait until you're summoned. It doesn't mean that we can't go back there. It is an open public area. And Brandsberg v. Hayes is very clear. You're also going to hear this cop ask them if they want me trespassed again, which they don't have the right to trespass anybody from public property. We already know. It's sad that they don't Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Do you guys want anything done like as a trespass? Or is he okay where he is right now? As long as he doesn't come here until he gets called. He can't come back here. He can't take pictures of the of what's It's personally identified information on the counters. Those are the documents we deal with. We've got screens of the same thing. Yeah. He's legally entitled from a public space to take a picture of people. He can't take any of the images. He can't cause a disturbance is the other thing. Right now he isn't. We close at 5:00. We start pushing people out at 4:45. As long as he's filming it. >> also he came in through a rear entrance he wasn't supposed to. Yeah, he came in back here but the other thing is is he made our places feel uncomfortable again because they are protecting personal identifying information and he's asserting he has a right to film it. It just doesn't. But but you guys don't want anything done right now? No, we just want to make sure he doesn't come back. Okay, sounds good. Thanks a lot you guys. All right, thanks. Uh Yeah, just first man otter just trying to So originally he was going behind like spaces filming which is like you have to be summoned or it's confidential information. But and none of the lines don't want to pursue charges right now. So he's just being asked to leave. We're trying to ID him but like yeah. But they no one they don't want to press charges or anything. They just want to call him. So he's one of those otters? This dude is one of those otters who likes to record stuff and stuff. He came in through like the rear entrance. Is that guy here? Yeah. He he He came in through a rear entrance. They don't want nothing done cuz he went through our entrance and he was taking pictures of certain areas. Um made everyone feel uncomfortable. As of right now they don't want charges pressed. They just kind of want him to kind of be confined to the space that he doesn't pass. They don't go past that point. Yeah. They don't want him to go past that point. Yeah, but they said he's fine where he's at right now. They just don't want charges pressed but they don't want anything done. Yeah. And the sheriff is already here. Well, I put myself on it and then her uh was like hold on, let me see if I can get someone closer and then he called it out. The person that means a lot. Yeah, I know. I never went behind the desk. These people are lying to you on camera. There's also a law that says people can't give false information or file false police reports to police officers. So you kind of just witnessed that, I think. Are you guys going to handle that part of it? >> report has a case number and the case number is going to be assigned to a police report when it's actually issued. So, because we haven't gotten a police report for this? No, because they're not filing a false report. They called it in. They called it in. They called it in. They called it in. They called it in at both times. No, they told you I was behind the counter. And we just did it [laughter] actually right in front of you guys. And if you check the codes, it clearly says they can't give that type of information. So, you guys literally witnessed a crime, yet you're still here talking to me, the person who's not committing it. Well, one of the things we're going to do administratively when we talk to them about everything one of the things I can do is contact people is after action we're only involving parties. So, that's why So, that's why it's a couple of these security officers. Just as we will not do all the follow-up. All the follow-up involved in here will be with the staff of You're going to talk about it. You're not going to going to going to investigate talk about it in the future. That's their concern right now with this building about to close. Oh, yeah, close that fine. Yeah, so when it closes, everybody leaves. So, they just notified me that you can stay in this area but just so that we are on the same page for following behavior. At this time 4:30, anybody that has business at the permit center And this is something Their only concern Their only concern is that advise just as my staff would advise the security team. Well, actually I'm an elected official so I'm He went through I know it's unfortunate you don't know these these laws and you make it sound like they can trespass me or you can trespass me. Completely wrong. And I told them just respectfully look up 602 writing. You cannot No other There's 27 subsections to 602, right? Do you know which specific one you're referring to? >> Oh. You said all of them. None of them apply. All of them apply except lowercase subsection 0. Oh, yeah. None of these apply to this situation except possibly 0. And it very clearly says you can't trespass somebody from a public area and you especially can't do it because somebody doesn't like their constitutional rights. Well, it's very clear. >> Well, they were maintained your rights completely during this entire time. No, you didn't. While we were talking about it, that's what you were doing. unknowingly >> Unknowingly tried to violate >> Because we didn't have the information from the security team. So And you have that all on film so you know that we were acting on what we were told. You You You were but it is your job to understand It is your job to understand that I don't have to You cannot detain an individual unless they are arrested or being cited in California. You can't do that. Even if there's a You have reasonable suspicion, you cannot We had If we had reasonable suspicion If you have reasonable suspicion, you cannot period. We can take note and get every time. So, you guys need to know that. Educate yourselves cuz when you do what you are doing, man, that's when you violate my constitutional rights. We didn't ask for your ID, sir. I know cuz I said no. But if I would have given it to you They would have violated your rights. Actually, so because I had to know my rights and stand up for them, but you're supposed to stand up for them. Well, I am standing up for your rights. I am Whatever you say. You stand up. I'm done with going in circles here. Okay. I'm going to continue doing what I'm doing. I'll invite you guys to continue doing what you're doing. And thanks for Happy to Look at the post. Once you post everything. Well After you look at the resources and see what you've done. I have the phone number of this guy. He said 24 minutes. You good? 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